[Z06] 2007 Shocks -- Final Word From Tadge
03-01-2007, 03:56 PM
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Good Job Norm.
So I guess those 07's must have something else special.
Oh yeah! 10% privilege tax applied by GM.
Most likely at this stage, they probably won't install them until 08.
By the way, which shock will perform better? I quess it won't be the soft one.
So I guess those 07's must have something else special.
Oh yeah! 10% privilege tax applied by GM.
Most likely at this stage, they probably won't install them until 08.
By the way, which shock will perform better? I quess it won't be the soft one.
03-01-2007, 04:02 PM
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03-01-2007, 04:45 PM
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03-01-2007, 05:04 PM
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That's the fallacy in this entire "which is better" debate: folks who are truly engaged in series racing, whether it is cars or something else (or in my case, setting up and tuning 2 stroke GP road racing bikes for the now-defunct AMA 250 GP series), are constantly changing everything, such as suspension settings, gearing, tire compounds, air pressure, wheel widths (and thus tire profile), engine setup (in every way imaginable), and many other parameters, to reduce lap times.
I'm guessing (as we all are guessing in this regard), that softer settings (such as compression dampening) will generally work better on a rougher track (where there lap times are going to be slower anyway because the track is rough), and harder settings will generally produce better times on a smoother, faster track--at least that was the generalization in setting up 250 GP bikes.
It appears that the softer settings of the soon-to-be-released rear shocks are aimed more at US market ride comfort than getting around a particular track as quickly as possible, although I could see softer settings improving times at rougher, slower tracks. Again, just gross generalizations.
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03-01-2007, 06:21 PM
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I suspect the answer to this question is like everything else in racing: Identify the track, the conditions under which you're running, the driver, and all other aspects of the of the car's setup which have been tweaked for that particular track and day, and then try both to see which rear shock provides faster lap times.
That's the fallacy in this entire "which is better" debate: folks who are truly engaged in series racing, whether it is cars or something else (or in my case, setting up and tuning 2 stroke GP roadracing bikes for the now-defunct AMA 250 GP road racing series), are constantly changing everything, such as suspension settings, gearing, tire compounds, air pressure, wheel widths (and thus tire profile), engine setup (in every way imaginable), and many other parameters, to reduce lap times.
I'm guessing (as we all are guessing in this regard), that softer settings (such as compression dampening) will generally work better on a rougher track (where there lap times are going to be slower anyway because the track is rough), and harder settings will generally produce better times on a smoother, faster track--at least that was the generalization in setting up 250 GP bikes.
It appears that the softer settings of the soon-to-be-released rear shocks are aimed more at US market ride comfort than getting around a particular track as quickly as possible, although I could see softer settings improving times at rougher, slower tracks. Again, just gross generalizations.
That's the fallacy in this entire "which is better" debate: folks who are truly engaged in series racing, whether it is cars or something else (or in my case, setting up and tuning 2 stroke GP roadracing bikes for the now-defunct AMA 250 GP road racing series), are constantly changing everything, such as suspension settings, gearing, tire compounds, air pressure, wheel widths (and thus tire profile), engine setup (in every way imaginable), and many other parameters, to reduce lap times.
I'm guessing (as we all are guessing in this regard), that softer settings (such as compression dampening) will generally work better on a rougher track (where there lap times are going to be slower anyway because the track is rough), and harder settings will generally produce better times on a smoother, faster track--at least that was the generalization in setting up 250 GP bikes.
It appears that the softer settings of the soon-to-be-released rear shocks are aimed more at US market ride comfort than getting around a particular track as quickly as possible, although I could see softer settings improving times at rougher, slower tracks. Again, just gross generalizations.
Ha Ha! Just kidding.Actually your point makes sense to me. Every road and every track will feel different. I personally thought the current shocks felt pretty good for an all round ride.
03-01-2007, 06:32 PM
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Drifting
The trade offs for softer shocks are what the Autobahn folks are clamoring about, and the reason they want to go even stiffer--high speed stability in a straight line and on smooth sweepers and other turns at tracks where the suspension's function is limited mostly to weight transfer, and not to absorbing bumps in the middle of a turn.
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03-01-2007, 06:40 PM
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I've got some limited access to the dealer parts system. It's only showing one part number for the 07 Z06 rear shock right now.
I'd say check back with your dealer or the resources on this board in a few more weeks. Maybe something will have changed by then.
I'd say check back with your dealer or the resources on this board in a few more weeks. Maybe something will have changed by then.
03-01-2007, 08:37 PM
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I am still laughing about the "placebo effect" and all the testimonials of how much better the 07s felt since that C&D came out.
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03-01-2007, 09:05 PM
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Exactly the same thought that crossed my mind as I read through this. More than 7 months into '07 production, GM new they did not have these new shocks on the '07 run.Besides, I like my shocks and ride just he way they are.
And thanks to 'normlunt', for getting the skinny on this ending the BS.
03-01-2007, 09:17 PM
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Get Some!
And with P cars it's also due to customer complaints in Porsche customer surveys.
03-01-2007, 09:39 PM
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Wouldn't it be great if sports cars can only be sold to the extreme enthusiast. Then the cars would get better and tighter from our complaints as opposed to softer and more compliant. I bought my Z for what it does. If I want a Cadilac ride, I'll buy a Caddy.
03-01-2007, 10:17 PM
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03-02-2007, 08:46 PM
#38
Melting Slicks
Double thanks on the direct factual resolution....and double crap on the feeling of being a new '07 owner.As Normlunt said....not gonna pursue it....probably makes no significant difference....I would just like to feel like I'm on top of the curve for two minutes....just TWO minutes!
OK, I'm done now...my two minutes are over now....
03-02-2007, 08:53 PM
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Double thanks on the direct factual resolution....and double crap on the feeling of being a new '07 owner.As Normlunt said....not gonna pursue it....probably makes no significant difference....I would just like to feel like I'm on top of the curve for two minutes....just TWO minutes!
OK, I'm done now...my two minutes are over now....