[ZR1] Just received Car and Driver.. Disappointed with ZR1
11-01-2008, 08:11 PM
#21
Drifting
What's revealing is the 0-150mph times. The Z06 is less than a second off the ZR1 pace but obliterates the Z51 by ALMOST 5 SECONDS!
And from 100-150mph, the Z is only two tenths behind the mighty ZR1. Seems like the LS9 can't really pull away at higher speeds. What gives with that?? A VARARAM on the Z06 could probably make up that time even though it's at a disadvantage, gearing-wise.
And from 100-150mph, the Z is only two tenths behind the mighty ZR1. Seems like the LS9 can't really pull away at higher speeds. What gives with that?? A VARARAM on the Z06 could probably make up that time even though it's at a disadvantage, gearing-wise.
11-01-2008, 08:19 PM
#22
Le Mans Master
If you have never been to the drag strip, then you don't have a clue.
It is so hard to drive a car off the launch with the HP the ZR-1 is putting down. I have a 644 rwhp car, that's over 700 hp at the flywheel. I ran it last Wed. night at Infineon raceway in Calif. and the best I could do was 12.087 @ 127 in the 1/4 mile 2.237 60'ft on street tires. Yeah, I'm not that good in the 1/4 mile and I admit it, but I did take 1st place trophy home. There were over 300 cars there and 38 Vettes. Many C-6 Z06 Vettes, but only 1 went into the 11's..that's how hard it is to get a good time. If you think I am BS in you, go to the C-5 northern CA section in this forum and you will see all the postings congratulating me.
Before you get disapointed by reading an article, try to run the same time they did. This should cheer you up.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2...599_195900.htm
It is so hard to drive a car off the launch with the HP the ZR-1 is putting down. I have a 644 rwhp car, that's over 700 hp at the flywheel. I ran it last Wed. night at Infineon raceway in Calif. and the best I could do was 12.087 @ 127 in the 1/4 mile 2.237 60'ft on street tires. Yeah, I'm not that good in the 1/4 mile and I admit it, but I did take 1st place trophy home. There were over 300 cars there and 38 Vettes. Many C-6 Z06 Vettes, but only 1 went into the 11's..that's how hard it is to get a good time. If you think I am BS in you, go to the C-5 northern CA section in this forum and you will see all the postings congratulating me.
Before you get disapointed by reading an article, try to run the same time they did. This should cheer you up.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2...599_195900.htm
Excellent post and point
11-01-2008, 08:25 PM
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11-01-2008, 08:26 PM
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If you have never been to the drag strip, then you don't have a clue.
It is so hard to drive a car off the launch with the HP the ZR-1 is putting down. I have a 644 rwhp car, that's over 700 hp at the flywheel. I ran it last Wed. night at Infineon raceway in Calif. and the best I could do was 12.087 @ 127 in the 1/4 mile 2.237 60'ft on street tires. Yeah, I'm not that good in the 1/4 mile and I admit it, but I did take 1st place trophy home. There were over 300 cars there and 38 Vettes. Many C-6 Z06 Vettes, but only 1 went into the 11's..that's how hard it is to get a good time. If you think I am BS in you, go to the C-5 northern CA section in this forum and you will see all the postings congratulating me.
Before you get disapointed by reading an article, try to run the same time they did. This should cheer you up.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2...599_195900.htm
It is so hard to drive a car off the launch with the HP the ZR-1 is putting down. I have a 644 rwhp car, that's over 700 hp at the flywheel. I ran it last Wed. night at Infineon raceway in Calif. and the best I could do was 12.087 @ 127 in the 1/4 mile 2.237 60'ft on street tires. Yeah, I'm not that good in the 1/4 mile and I admit it, but I did take 1st place trophy home. There were over 300 cars there and 38 Vettes. Many C-6 Z06 Vettes, but only 1 went into the 11's..that's how hard it is to get a good time. If you think I am BS in you, go to the C-5 northern CA section in this forum and you will see all the postings congratulating me.
Before you get disapointed by reading an article, try to run the same time they did. This should cheer you up.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2...599_195900.htm
11-01-2008, 09:24 PM
#27
Team Owner
Agreed.
Look at the dyno curves for the LS9 vs the LS7, and the LS9 makes more torque than the LS7 at any rpm in the band.
No such thing as lag in the LS9.
If it hooks, it'll go.
ET's are too traction-dependent.
Trap speeds tell the whole story, and so far the early base ZR1 traps are better than even the VERY BEST traps seen from the Z06 in PERFECT conditions.
Look at the dyno curves for the LS9 vs the LS7, and the LS9 makes more torque than the LS7 at any rpm in the band.
No such thing as lag in the LS9.
If it hooks, it'll go.
ET's are too traction-dependent.
Trap speeds tell the whole story, and so far the early base ZR1 traps are better than even the VERY BEST traps seen from the Z06 in PERFECT conditions.
I've seen Z06s with traps of around 122-123 mph before, ranging up to 127 mph for the best example. Likewise the ZR1 is already showing a fair range of traps, that's testing in the real world.
11-01-2008, 09:29 PM
#28
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What's revealing is the 0-150mph times. The Z06 is less than a second off the ZR1 pace but obliterates the Z51 by ALMOST 5 SECONDS! And from 100-150mph, the Z is only two tenths behind the mighty ZR1. Seems like the LS9 can't really pull away at higher speeds. What gives with that?? A VARARAM on the Z06 could probably make up that time even though it's at a disadvantage, gearing-wise.
And from 100-150mph, the Z is only two tenths behind the mighty ZR1. Seems like the LS9 can't really pull away at higher speeds. What gives with that?? A VARARAM on the Z06 could probably make up that time even though it's at a disadvantage, gearing-wise.
11-01-2008, 10:33 PM
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Something isn't adding up if a car with 133 more HP and a very simliar cD, and more torque isn't absolutely *** raping the other car from 0 - 150. Also, isn't the ZR-1 about 20 seconds faster at the ring?
11-01-2008, 10:35 PM
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No need to hate just because the ZR1 is not living up to the over-exagerrated hype. I'll buy one for the looks if they sell them at MSRP.....the performance is not much (if any) better than my 2007 Z06 to make me shell out anything over that.
11-01-2008, 10:54 PM
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Oh, I know the difference. My modded Syclone is turbocharged and will peel off 1/4 mile times that embarrass a ZR1. My brothers modded 2004 Cobra runs a roots-type supercharger and both have lag. Only difference is that I can build my boost off the line for a spine-warping launch. The Cobra builds at the launch but does so quickly. If you would take a couple seconds to glance at the boost guage, you will observe that the roots SC does build boost. I know you guys are in denial but the facts are the facts!
No need to hate just because the ZR1 is not living up to the over-exagerrated hype. I'll buy one for the looks if they sell them at MSRP.....the performance is not much (if any) better than my 2007 Z06 to make me shell out anything over that.
No need to hate just because the ZR1 is not living up to the over-exagerrated hype. I'll buy one for the looks if they sell them at MSRP.....the performance is not much (if any) better than my 2007 Z06 to make me shell out anything over that.
11-02-2008, 01:07 AM
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Seriously, that's one of the funniest things I've ever read. You'd spend $30,000++ for looks only?
They look the freak'in same except for carbon roof, hood bubble, side intake, wheels, and rear lip.Of course the reality is there's a lot more than looks between these two cars stock vs stock. The shocks/tires being the biggest, IMHO. That's why I've ask the question 'ZR1 shock on a Z06', but no one answered
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11-02-2008, 01:42 AM
#33
Team Owner
The thing that bothers me most about this thread is that I have been reading about this comparo for about a week now and this issue has still not arrived in my mailbox.
I hate it when I subscribe to a magazine and it hits the stands so much earlier than it does my mailbox.
I hate it when I subscribe to a magazine and it hits the stands so much earlier than it does my mailbox.
11-02-2008, 01:51 AM
#34
Melting Slicks
I guess in all your dissapointment you falled to miss that the ZR1 was over 2 sec faster than the Z06 around a tight 2 mile road course and was 6mph faster in the main straignt. And for those of you that think a modded Z06 should be able to beat a ZR1 on the road course, they had Kaltech ClubSport Z06 run the course too. It was .6 sec slower than the ZR1 and it was 200lb ligter than a standard Z06, had adjustable coil over suspension, Brembo brakes, and was running on Sport Cup tires. After all those mods it was ~$110K, so not much cheaper than a ZR1.
11-02-2008, 01:54 AM
#35
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Oh, I know the difference. My modded Syclone is turbocharged and will peel off 1/4 mile times that embarrass a ZR1. My brothers modded 2004 Cobra runs a roots-type supercharger and both have lag. Only difference is that I can build my boost off the line for a spine-warping launch. The Cobra builds at the launch but does so quickly. If you would take a couple seconds to glance at the boost guage, you will observe that the roots SC does build boost. I know you guys are in denial but the facts are the facts!
No need to hate just because the ZR1 is not living up to the over-exagerrated hype. I'll buy one for the looks if they sell them at MSRP.....the performance is not much (if any) better than my 2007 Z06 to make me shell out anything over that.
No need to hate just because the ZR1 is not living up to the over-exagerrated hype. I'll buy one for the looks if they sell them at MSRP.....the performance is not much (if any) better than my 2007 Z06 to make me shell out anything over that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrKgE...eature=related
11-02-2008, 02:22 AM
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Ferrari owners don't care that a f430 can do faster lap times. sure the price difference is astronomical. Drive them both down the street however and the world will not even know the f430 went by.
11-02-2008, 02:49 AM
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The ZR1 is an all around performer, this includes it's DD ability, navigation etc. this is not a striped down track-car. It is a stock 638HP Corvette. Although the most expensive car to ever be offered by the American automible market, it is truly the Best Vette Yet! 
and it just looks wicked too! 
and it just looks wicked too! 
11-02-2008, 06:56 AM
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Well, if I were buying it for any other reason, I would no doubt be disappointed. 80% of the folks that have purchased one so far have bought it because of its looks (exclusivity). They didn't buy it to be ragging it at a track or trying to show off in it. People on here spend $6-8000 for a custom set of wheels ALONE!! Don't know why $30,000 extra to land a ZR1 would seem so hilarious to you.
11-02-2008, 07:03 AM
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11-02-2008, 07:06 AM
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Drifting
If I was spending 10K+ over MSRP for a car I really wanted, I could care less about who said what,who liked what, and what magazine said what and what times it ran. I WOULD DRIVE IT AND ENJOY IT!
JMHO
JMHO