[ZR1] Keeping both ZR1 and Z06
11-28-2010, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by isnider;1576046317 ..needed the cash to put gas in the new ZR1 at an alarming rate :) [B
I see why it has a gas guzler tax. Will need tire money before too long also...[/B]
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11-28-2010, 10:45 AM
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11-29-2010, 02:22 PM
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I kept my 2006 Z-06 when I got my 2010 ZR. The Z-06 - which is a Katech Stage 1 car - just has too many good memories to part with it (track events and road trips).
That and the mods give the Z-06 a bit of old school hot rod feel (have the best of both now; in fact I've named them Dirty Harry (Z-06) and James Bond (ZR1) as they'll both kick butt, but will do so with very different styles).
That and the mods give the Z-06 a bit of old school hot rod feel (have the best of both now; in fact I've named them Dirty Harry (Z-06) and James Bond (ZR1) as they'll both kick butt, but will do so with very different styles).
11-30-2010, 01:17 PM
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That being said, will probably regret selling my Z06, especially since the Z06 are so rare now compared to sales of the Grand Sport. They actually sold more ZR1's than Z06's in 2010.....yikes. 
There are more z06 for sale than ever. Give me a break.
If any thing is going to be rare, it's the C5 Z06 hardtop, rather than the C6 Z06, because the C5 Z06 is a style of its own and the first for a fixed roof hardtop in Corvette history. I get a kick out of everyone creating a classic before twenty five years is up. I believe that they made less C5 Z06 hardtops than they did C6 Z06's.
Let's face it the Grand Sport is a better bang for your buck, especially with the smaller displacement engine like they used in the ZR1 to gain more HP and durability. I love the marketing strategy to try to make the C6 Z06 a rarity.
When the new C7 comes out, it will probably do same or more than the new ZR1, just like with the C4 ZR1...when they came out with the C5, it was comparable except for top end. All your predictions of the C6 Z06 being rare will not happen, because when they come out with the new C7 it will outperform the C6 Z06 and ZR1, which will drive the prices down on the Z06, because everyone will want to get into the top dog Vette.
There are more z06 for sale than ever. Give me a break.
If any thing is going to be rare, it's the C5 Z06 hardtop, rather than the C6 Z06, because the C5 Z06 is a style of its own and the first for a fixed roof hardtop in Corvette history. I get a kick out of everyone creating a classic before twenty five years is up. I believe that they made less C5 Z06 hardtops than they did C6 Z06's.
Let's face it the Grand Sport is a better bang for your buck, especially with the smaller displacement engine like they used in the ZR1 to gain more HP and durability. I love the marketing strategy to try to make the C6 Z06 a rarity.
When the new C7 comes out, it will probably do same or more than the new ZR1, just like with the C4 ZR1...when they came out with the C5, it was comparable except for top end. All your predictions of the C6 Z06 being rare will not happen, because when they come out with the new C7 it will outperform the C6 Z06 and ZR1, which will drive the prices down on the Z06, because everyone will want to get into the top dog Vette.
What works AGAINST the C5Z06 is how the LS6 ended up in other cars, it was not Z06 exclusive. The C6Z06 does have the unique LS7 which still retains being the highest NA hp engine GM has ever built.
Also don't forget the 99 FRC that debuted before the C5 Z06, so no the C5 Z06 IMO didn't break much unique ground.....there was already a fixed roof C5 and the motor ended up whored out amoung other GM cars both those facts take away points.
And please give us a break about what a a better bang for buck the GS is......it's no faster then a 2008 Z51 vette, it's more about looks then performance. It fills the gap of those who don't need the 505hp but would like a widebody vette. It's well placed in the vette lineup for what it is.
11-30-2010, 07:41 PM
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HSV used the LS7 in exact same trim as the C6Z06 for their W427 so its not Z06 exclusive.
11-30-2010, 11:16 PM
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I seriously considered keeping mine....needed the cash to put gas in the new ZR1 at an alarming rate 
I see why it has a gas guzler tax. Will need tire money before too long also...
That being said, will probably regret selling my Z06, especially since the Z06 are so rare now compared to sales of the Grand Sport. They actually sold more ZR1's than Z06's in 2010.....yikes.
Ian
I see why it has a gas guzler tax. Will need tire money before too long also...That being said, will probably regret selling my Z06, especially since the Z06 are so rare now compared to sales of the Grand Sport. They actually sold more ZR1's than Z06's in 2010.....yikes.
Ian
If any thing is going to be rare, it's the C5 Z06 hardtop, rather than the C6 Z06, because the C5 Z06 is a style of its own and successor to the first fixed roof hardtop in Corvette history, the 1999 and 2000. I get a kick out of everyone creating a classic before twenty five years is up. I believe that they made less C5 Z06 hardtops than they did C6 Z06's.
Let's face it the Grand Sport is a better bang for your buck, especially with the smaller displacement engine like they used in the ZR1 to gain more HP and durability. I love the marketing strategy to try to make the C6 Z06 a rarity.
When the new C7 comes out, it will probably do same or more than the new ZR1, just like with the C4 ZR1...when they came out with the C5, it was comparable except for top end. The new C7 it will outperform the C6 Z06 and ZR1, which will drive the prices down on the Z06 and ZR1, because everyone will want to get into the top dog Vette of the day.
And, as another member pointed out, yes, the 1999 and 2000 hardtop will be the next and coming collectibile for the Corvette enthusiast, because 1999 was the first year for the fixed roof in Corvette history. And, the first to be a third model series in the Corvette production line 4031 produced in 1999 and 2090 produced in 2000, especially with the optional performance rims that they made for the hardtop which is very rare to find today.
12-01-2010, 08:53 AM
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Personally, I don't really see any C7 topping C6 ZR1 performance. More than 638 h/p and 604 ft/lbs torque from the factory? Doubt it. Only way I could see it achieving similar performance is with a 300 lb lighter car using a S/C version of the direct injected 5.5 liter engine and utilizing awd.
Again, I don't see it from the factory - GM's money is flowing into Cruze's, Volts, and more "politically & environmentally acceptable" vehicles.
Just my opinion.
Again, I don't see it from the factory - GM's money is flowing into Cruze's, Volts, and more "politically & environmentally acceptable" vehicles.
Just my opinion.
12-01-2010, 01:15 PM
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HSV is not owned by GM so the statement still stands that the LS7 is exclusive to the Vette within the GM perimeter.Its like the Callaway of Australia.
12-01-2010, 07:47 PM
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Good to know as well.
The main thing is that the LS7 has not made it into a mass produced car other then the Corvette.
The LS6 found it's way into many CTS-V's which imo, takes away from the C5Z. Not to mention the C5Z's LS6 underwent a hp bump one year after it's debut in 2001 leaving a "few" rather ticked off 2001 Z06 owners.
The C6Z has always retained (at least so far) a 505hp number thoughout the years no matter if you buy a 2006 or 2011. The C6Z generation will not have that "year to avoid" stigma as dramtic as the 2001 C5Z has.
Again these are just my opinions but if someone wants to slice up why the C6Z isn't gonna be a desireable car compared to a C5Z, I'm gonna point out the things that the pro-C5Z folks leave out....it can go both ways
12-01-2010, 08:53 PM
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Good to know as well.
The main thing is that the LS7 has not made it into a mass produced car other then the Corvette.
The LS6 found it's way into many CTS-V's which imo, takes away from the C5Z. Not to mention the C5Z's LS6 underwent a hp bump one year after it's debut in 2001 leaving a "few" rather ticked off 2001 Z06 owners.
The C6Z has always retained (at least so far) a 505hp number thoughout the years no matter if you buy a 2006 or 2011. The C6Z generation will not have that "year to avoid" stigma as dramtic as the 2001 C5Z has.
Again these are just my opinions but if someone wants to slice up why the C6Z isn't gonna be a desireable car compared to a C5Z, I'm gonna point out the things that the pro-C5Z folks leave out....it can go both ways
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Holden Special Vehicles (HSV) in Australia has announced the latest version of their high performance sedan. The car features a total performance approach consistent with the unique Callaway developed C4B engine fitted exclusively to the GTS model. Power output will be 300 kW (400 hp) which will place the GTS in the same outright performance league as European rivals costing two to three times the price.
GTS is the most comprehensive limited edition sports sedan ever produced by HSV
Destined to become a true collectors item, the latest GTS is the most comprehensive limited edition sports sedan ever produced by HSV.
The GTS will commence production in limited numbers in the first half of next year for Australia and export markets - where it will take on the world's top rung prestige sports cars.
To take on the world's best, HSV has pushed out the performance car envelope with a complete GTS package addressing not only engineering and safety, but also driver performance. This includes with every GTS purchase a comprehensive HSV driver training and skills course.
The car features a total performance approach consistent with the unique Callaway developed C4B engine fitted exclusively to the GTS model. Power output will be 300kW which will place the GTS in the same outright performance league as European rivals costing two to three times the price.
The C4B engine leaves the GM Romulus plant in the US and is sent to Callaway's Connecticut facility where it is specially prepared for the HSV GTS application. This unique joint venture between HSV and Callaway brings together for the first time two companies with impeccable performance car credentials.
Callaway is renowned for its work in high performance car engineering - in particular the development work it performs on the Chevrolet Corvette model.
The GTS will exclusively feature the heavy duty T56 six speed manual transmission, as well as huge cross drilled premium brakes with four piston calipers front and rear.
The hand finished nature of the GTS is also confirmed by its unique HSV "Multilink" rear suspension. Extra grip and control are immediately apparent as the new suspension design minimizes camber change and increases toe control.
The new model also marks the return of "Hydratrak" - the Australian developed rear axle unmatched in its speed and response to different traction requirements. Special 18 inch alloy wheels and premium Bridgestone SO-2 tires will be standard.
These features add up to the most comprehensive brake and traction package featured in an Australian performance car.
Colors will be limited to two exclusive choices, Phantom Black and Sting Red, matched with unique red leather trim. Four driver and passenger airbags including side airbags will be standard.
The display car features a color matched interior, climate control air conditioning, 10 stack CD player and glass sliding sunroof.
Prototype testing indicates the following remarkable performance figures for an Australian produced 4 door full size sedan:
0-100 kph - 5.1 seconds
0-400 m - 13.3 seconds