[ZR1] Z07 vs Zr1 what would I miss?
03-28-2011, 01:51 PM
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There is a BIG difference in the way ZR1 flies
If you even have to ask yourself the question you should stick with the Z07. It's a phenominal car. The ZR1 is just a little more phenominal. But if you concerned about money I would stick with the ZR1. Most of us who bought ours just had to have it. When you do you know. There is no question. You don't want to regret your purchase.
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03-28-2011, 01:54 PM
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There are so many comments from the mags as to how much of a beast on the street the Z06 is the latest Motor Trend as an example I was looking to poeple who have actually driven both for real feedback.
It's one thing to take a test drive it's completely different to have owned both.
Thanks for the responses.
It's one thing to take a test drive it's completely different to have owned both.
Thanks for the responses.
I wouldn't get caught up in magazine reviews. The ZO6 was king for a year before they got sour and nitpicky on it. Then the ZR1 was the **** for the same time, and then got picked apart. Now the ZO7 is the cat's azz for the track. Mags do what they do to sell copy.
Your not being rude at all that is one of the reasons I want to change to the Z06 or a ZR1 and lack of that torque is why I am leaning towards the Corvettes instead of a 911.
I know the ZR1 has more than the Z06 so that is part of my request for input how different is it?
Thanks
I know the ZR1 has more than the Z06 so that is part of my request for input how different is it?
Thanks
You won't regret either, but FWIW, I drove the ZO6 to work today and wished it were the ZR1, instead.
03-28-2011, 02:12 PM
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I wouldn't get caught up in magazine reviews. The ZO6 was king for a year before they got sour and nitpicky on it. Then the ZR1 was the **** for the same time, and then got picked apart. Now the ZO7 is the cat's azz for the track. Mags do what they do to sell copy.
You won't regret either, but FWIW, I drove the ZO6 to work today and wished it were the ZR1, instead.
You won't regret either, but FWIW, I drove the ZO6 to work today and wished it were the ZR1, instead.
I agree, the mags say whatever they want without the true facts. I will go with what those who have drove both and the GM test drivers have told me 
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I toyed with the same issue. I wanted a Z06 SO bad. I did a build on-line and when I hit $99K, my husband said - if you're gonna do this, why not get the biggest and baddest. No regrets.
I've never driven a Z06 but I can tell you, this ZR1 is an awesome car. I don't plan on ever tracking it but it drives like a pure dream on the road. Running through the gears and getting up to speed is an awesome feeling (not that you can't do that in a Z06). However, noone can say you won't have the best vette ever built. If you can afford the extra $$ I say do it. Never look back and never regret that you didn't go for the gusto.
I've never driven a Z06 but I can tell you, this ZR1 is an awesome car. I don't plan on ever tracking it but it drives like a pure dream on the road. Running through the gears and getting up to speed is an awesome feeling (not that you can't do that in a Z06). However, noone can say you won't have the best vette ever built. If you can afford the extra $$ I say do it. Never look back and never regret that you didn't go for the gusto.
03-28-2011, 11:19 PM
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If you even have to ask yourself the question you should stick with the Z07. It's a phenominal car. The ZR1 is just a little more phenominal. But if you concerned about money I would stick with the ZR1. Most of us who bought ours just had to have it. When you do you know. There is no question. You don't want to regret your purchase.
this about says it all...
03-28-2011, 11:43 PM
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03-28-2011, 11:54 PM
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I've read too much to trust the LS7 or to mistrust the LS3/LS9
Several years after buying my '05 I wanted a Z06. I prefer the styling of the Z06 and wanted the additional power. About the time I was ready to make the jump the Z06 roofs began to blow off.
Now, I know that has been fixed and is seldom reported today. However, I still recall the photos of the tiny bit of adhesive holding the top panels in place. Amazing engineering/production mistake.
But, that problem put my zeal to upgrade to a Z06 on temporary hold. Of course, since day one of the Z06 introduction ( and before leading up to it ) I have read everything about the car I could find. This included as they became available hundreds or thousands of posts by Z06 owners.
Learning from the experience of others it's called.
So about the time the Z06 flying roof problem was fixed I was ready to roll. However, reading about the car constantly as I do, I was learning about the need to constantly remove and replace the clutch fluid. It seems the design is flawed and the fluid gets cooked really fast causing little things to happen like the clutch pedal to fail to function. Little things like that.
Also, about that time I began to read multiple reports of LS7 engine failures. These were generally caused by broken valves. Some pretty amazing photos have been posted showing big holes in the engine blocks. Owners began to find needle bearings from the rockers in the oil pan about this time too.
Now, most are now saying the LS7/Z06 problems are all fixed and a thing of the past. But, I cannot "unread" all the articles and owner reports. I have my doubts. Other owners express the belief ( more than a simple opinion ) that there never were any problems, that the LS7 is no more failure prone than any other engine.
I don't believe that one. With tens of thousands more LS3s built than LS7s it's difficult to find an account of an LS3 destroying itself the way some LS7s have done. It's difficult, not impossible, but relatively speaking difficult to find reports of broken valves in an LS3 as well.
What I'm left with is a feeling that I'd never be comfortable driving a Z06. I simply do not trust the LS7. The LS9 on the other hand is a significantly improved LS3. Different block alloy, different internals, while sharing external dimensions and most design features with the LS3.
Also, now that the ZR1 has been out for several years we most certainly would have heard by now if a rash of LS9 failures were going to occur. Hello? I haven't heard them here or elsewhere.....nothing even remotely resembling what happened with the LS7.
Thus, I have my sights set on a ZR1. It's more money of course but I trust the engine and the brakes are current technology and not a relic of the 60s in terms of design as those of the Z06.
My personal strategy at this time is to wait until the C7 is introduced then pounce on a leftover new ZR1. No doubt the C7 will be awesome. I might even want one. But, the ZR1 is an ultimate sports car. I'm going to let the "gotta have the newest NOW" crowd chase the C7 with wads of cash for the much higher msrp and "market adjustments" by dealers. For me it will be a sweet deal on a lonely leftover ZR1.
Now, I know that has been fixed and is seldom reported today. However, I still recall the photos of the tiny bit of adhesive holding the top panels in place. Amazing engineering/production mistake.
But, that problem put my zeal to upgrade to a Z06 on temporary hold. Of course, since day one of the Z06 introduction ( and before leading up to it ) I have read everything about the car I could find. This included as they became available hundreds or thousands of posts by Z06 owners.
Learning from the experience of others it's called.
So about the time the Z06 flying roof problem was fixed I was ready to roll. However, reading about the car constantly as I do, I was learning about the need to constantly remove and replace the clutch fluid. It seems the design is flawed and the fluid gets cooked really fast causing little things to happen like the clutch pedal to fail to function. Little things like that.
Also, about that time I began to read multiple reports of LS7 engine failures. These were generally caused by broken valves. Some pretty amazing photos have been posted showing big holes in the engine blocks. Owners began to find needle bearings from the rockers in the oil pan about this time too.
Now, most are now saying the LS7/Z06 problems are all fixed and a thing of the past. But, I cannot "unread" all the articles and owner reports. I have my doubts. Other owners express the belief ( more than a simple opinion ) that there never were any problems, that the LS7 is no more failure prone than any other engine.
I don't believe that one. With tens of thousands more LS3s built than LS7s it's difficult to find an account of an LS3 destroying itself the way some LS7s have done. It's difficult, not impossible, but relatively speaking difficult to find reports of broken valves in an LS3 as well.
What I'm left with is a feeling that I'd never be comfortable driving a Z06. I simply do not trust the LS7. The LS9 on the other hand is a significantly improved LS3. Different block alloy, different internals, while sharing external dimensions and most design features with the LS3.
Also, now that the ZR1 has been out for several years we most certainly would have heard by now if a rash of LS9 failures were going to occur. Hello? I haven't heard them here or elsewhere.....nothing even remotely resembling what happened with the LS7.
Thus, I have my sights set on a ZR1. It's more money of course but I trust the engine and the brakes are current technology and not a relic of the 60s in terms of design as those of the Z06.
My personal strategy at this time is to wait until the C7 is introduced then pounce on a leftover new ZR1. No doubt the C7 will be awesome. I might even want one. But, the ZR1 is an ultimate sports car. I'm going to let the "gotta have the newest NOW" crowd chase the C7 with wads of cash for the much higher msrp and "market adjustments" by dealers. For me it will be a sweet deal on a lonely leftover ZR1.
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03-29-2011, 12:28 AM
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Just recently a 09 Z06 and ZR1 set terrific times at the track, both on DR's the difference was an earth shattering.....ready for this..... (.19 seconds...ZR1 10.56 vs Z06 10.75
Doesn't seem to be that huge a difference when looking at the numbers the best drivers are getting.....so let's stop exaggerating things shall we.
So to the OP, is the extra 30-40k worth a couple tenths in the 1/4? Do you race to speeds over 170mph often? Do you want the bragging rights?
Both are terrific cars, can't go wrong with either.
03-29-2011, 07:06 AM
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Z06 vs ZR1
Several years after buying my '05 I wanted a Z06. I prefer the styling of the Z06 and wanted the additional power. About the time I was ready to make the jump the Z06 roofs began to blow off.
Now, I know that has been fixed and is seldom reported today. However, I still recall the photos of the tiny bit of adhesive holding the top panels in place. Amazing engineering/production mistake.
But, that problem put my zeal to upgrade to a Z06 on temporary hold. Of course, since day one of the Z06 introduction ( and before leading up to it ) I have read everything about the car I could find. This included as they became available hundreds or thousands of posts by Z06 owners.
Learning from the experience of others it's called.
So about the time the Z06 flying roof problem was fixed I was ready to roll. However, reading about the car constantly as I do, I was learning about the need to constantly remove and replace the clutch fluid. It seems the design is flawed and the fluid gets cooked really fast causing little things to happen like the clutch pedal to fail to function. Little things like that.
Also, about that time I began to read multiple reports of LS7 engine failures. These were generally caused by broken valves. Some pretty amazing photos have been posted showing big holes in the engine blocks. Owners began to find needle bearings from the rockers in the oil pan about this time too.
Now, most are now saying the LS7/Z06 problems are all fixed and a thing of the past. But, I cannot "unread" all the articles and owner reports. I have my doubts. Other owners express the belief ( more than a simple opinion ) that there never were any problems, that the LS7 is no more failure prone than any other engine.
I don't believe that one. With tens of thousands more LS3s built than LS7s it's difficult to find an account of an LS3 destroying itself the way some LS7s have done. It's difficult, not impossible, but relatively speaking difficult to find reports of broken valves in an LS3 as well.
What I'm left with is a feeling that I'd never be comfortable driving a Z06. I simply do not trust the LS7. The LS9 on the other hand is a significantly improved LS3. Different block alloy, different internals, while sharing external dimensions and most design features with the LS3.
Also, now that the ZR1 has been out for several years we most certainly would have heard by now if a rash of LS9 failures were going to occur. Hello? I haven't heard them here or elsewhere.....nothing even remotely resembling what happened with the LS7.
Thus, I have my sights set on a ZR1. It's more money of course but I trust the engine and the brakes are current technology and not a relic of the 60s in terms of design as those of the Z06.
My personal strategy at this time is to wait until the C7 is introduced then pounce on a leftover new ZR1. No doubt the C7 will be awesome. I might even want one. But, the ZR1 is an ultimate sports car. I'm going to let the "gotta have the newest NOW" crowd chase the C7 with wads of cash for the much higher msrp and "market adjustments" by dealers. For me it will be a sweet deal on a lonely leftover ZR1.
Now, I know that has been fixed and is seldom reported today. However, I still recall the photos of the tiny bit of adhesive holding the top panels in place. Amazing engineering/production mistake.
But, that problem put my zeal to upgrade to a Z06 on temporary hold. Of course, since day one of the Z06 introduction ( and before leading up to it ) I have read everything about the car I could find. This included as they became available hundreds or thousands of posts by Z06 owners.
Learning from the experience of others it's called.
So about the time the Z06 flying roof problem was fixed I was ready to roll. However, reading about the car constantly as I do, I was learning about the need to constantly remove and replace the clutch fluid. It seems the design is flawed and the fluid gets cooked really fast causing little things to happen like the clutch pedal to fail to function. Little things like that.
Also, about that time I began to read multiple reports of LS7 engine failures. These were generally caused by broken valves. Some pretty amazing photos have been posted showing big holes in the engine blocks. Owners began to find needle bearings from the rockers in the oil pan about this time too.
Now, most are now saying the LS7/Z06 problems are all fixed and a thing of the past. But, I cannot "unread" all the articles and owner reports. I have my doubts. Other owners express the belief ( more than a simple opinion ) that there never were any problems, that the LS7 is no more failure prone than any other engine.
I don't believe that one. With tens of thousands more LS3s built than LS7s it's difficult to find an account of an LS3 destroying itself the way some LS7s have done. It's difficult, not impossible, but relatively speaking difficult to find reports of broken valves in an LS3 as well.
What I'm left with is a feeling that I'd never be comfortable driving a Z06. I simply do not trust the LS7. The LS9 on the other hand is a significantly improved LS3. Different block alloy, different internals, while sharing external dimensions and most design features with the LS3.
Also, now that the ZR1 has been out for several years we most certainly would have heard by now if a rash of LS9 failures were going to occur. Hello? I haven't heard them here or elsewhere.....nothing even remotely resembling what happened with the LS7.
Thus, I have my sights set on a ZR1. It's more money of course but I trust the engine and the brakes are current technology and not a relic of the 60s in terms of design as those of the Z06.
My personal strategy at this time is to wait until the C7 is introduced then pounce on a leftover new ZR1. No doubt the C7 will be awesome. I might even want one. But, the ZR1 is an ultimate sports car. I'm going to let the "gotta have the newest NOW" crowd chase the C7 with wads of cash for the much higher msrp and "market adjustments" by dealers. For me it will be a sweet deal on a lonely leftover ZR1.
03-29-2011, 09:52 AM
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Deb, where are you seeing this VAST difference in acceleration between the 2 cars?
Just recently a 09 Z06 and ZR1 set terrific times at the track, both on DR's the difference was an earth shattering.....ready for this..... (.19 seconds...ZR1 10.56 vs Z06 10.75
Doesn't seem to be that huge a difference when looking at the numbers the best drivers are getting.....so let's stop exaggerating things shall we.
So to the OP, is the extra 30-40k worth a couple tenths in the 1/4? Do you race to speeds over 170mph often? Do you want the bragging rights?
Both are terrific cars, can't go wrong with either.
Just recently a 09 Z06 and ZR1 set terrific times at the track, both on DR's the difference was an earth shattering.....ready for this..... (.19 seconds...ZR1 10.56 vs Z06 10.75
Doesn't seem to be that huge a difference when looking at the numbers the best drivers are getting.....so let's stop exaggerating things shall we.
So to the OP, is the extra 30-40k worth a couple tenths in the 1/4? Do you race to speeds over 170mph often? Do you want the bragging rights?
Both are terrific cars, can't go wrong with either.
ZR1 is the KING no dispute. There are a lot of differences in the 2 cars for the $$$ . A Z07 is not $30/40K more than a ZR1. The pricing is pretty close........ Read the specs/Builds/Pricing for the facts........... I don't get in to the track ....................so those numbers are not of any importance to me. And OP said he wanted one for Street use!
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03-29-2011, 10:44 AM
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Deb, where are you seeing this VAST difference in acceleration between the 2 cars?
Just recently a 09 Z06 and ZR1 set terrific times at the track, both on DR's the difference was an earth shattering.....ready for this..... (.19 seconds...ZR1 10.56 vs Z06 10.75
Doesn't seem to be that huge a difference when looking at the numbers the best drivers are getting.....so let's stop exaggerating things shall we.
So to the OP, is the extra 30-40k worth a couple tenths in the 1/4? Do you race to speeds over 170mph often? Do you want the bragging rights?
Both are terrific cars, can't go wrong with either.
Just recently a 09 Z06 and ZR1 set terrific times at the track, both on DR's the difference was an earth shattering.....ready for this..... (.19 seconds...ZR1 10.56 vs Z06 10.75
Doesn't seem to be that huge a difference when looking at the numbers the best drivers are getting.....so let's stop exaggerating things shall we.
So to the OP, is the extra 30-40k worth a couple tenths in the 1/4? Do you race to speeds over 170mph often? Do you want the bragging rights?
Both are terrific cars, can't go wrong with either.
03-29-2011, 11:05 AM
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No exaggerating. Anyone who has driven both will tell you there is a HUGE difference in the clutch, and the take off of the ZR1 vs the Z06.
ZR1 is the KING no dispute. There are a lot of differences in the 2 cars for the $$$ . A Z07 is not $30/40K more than a ZR1. The pricing is pretty close........ Read the specs/Builds/Pricing for the facts........... I don't get in to the track ....................so those numbers are not of any importance to me. And OP said he wanted one for Street use!
ZR1 is the KING no dispute. There are a lot of differences in the 2 cars for the $$$ . A Z07 is not $30/40K more than a ZR1. The pricing is pretty close........ Read the specs/Builds/Pricing for the facts........... I don't get in to the track ....................so those numbers are not of any importance to me. And OP said he wanted one for Street use!
This is why i say a zo6 optioned w/ zo7 is zr1 with a zo6 motor. To say it a diff way the only diff between the 2 cars is the motor and some badges. IMO you can pick up a zr1 for 100 or less why by a zo6. Oh and i agree with deb. the op is talking about the street. I have owned both and the zr1 is sig faster.
also at spring mt a reg zo6 is 3s slower per lap. That is not even in the same class. I loved my zo6 but the zr1 is a cut above. If you actually had to pay 120+ then i could poss understand the argument but it is not 30-40 grand in difference.
03-29-2011, 11:37 AM
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When I was negotiating with my dealer before ordering, my ZR1 "build" was $123,600 discounted to $114,000 (back in August) and my Z06 was $90,060 discounted to $78,000. I know that much better deals can be had now, but back then there was a significant difference in price. Gonna buy that ZR1 one day! 
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03-29-2011, 01:11 PM
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As usual gm raids all parts that make there top model special.
This is why i say a zo6 optioned w/ zo7 is zr1 with a zo6 motor. To say it a diff way the only diff between the 2 cars is the motor and some badges. IMO you can pick up a zr1 for 100 or less why by a zo6. Oh and i agree with deb. the op is talking about the street. I have owned both and the zr1 is sig faster.
also at spring mt a reg zo6 is 3s slower per lap. That is not even in the same class. I loved my zo6 but the zr1 is a cut above. If you actually had to pay 120+ then i could poss understand the argument but it is not 30-40 grand in difference.
This is why i say a zo6 optioned w/ zo7 is zr1 with a zo6 motor. To say it a diff way the only diff between the 2 cars is the motor and some badges. IMO you can pick up a zr1 for 100 or less why by a zo6. Oh and i agree with deb. the op is talking about the street. I have owned both and the zr1 is sig faster.
also at spring mt a reg zo6 is 3s slower per lap. That is not even in the same class. I loved my zo6 but the zr1 is a cut above. If you actually had to pay 120+ then i could poss understand the argument but it is not 30-40 grand in difference.
<<<Chevrolet now offers the Z07 Performance Package. This $9,495 option includes four chassis upgrades from the ZR1, including that model’s Brembo carbon-ceramic brakes, 19- and 20-inch wheels, Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires (285/30ZR19 front, 335/25ZR20 rear) and Magnetic Ride Control shock absorbers. To close the appearance gap, as well as to improve the Z06’s aerodynamics, Chevrolet offers the $3,995 CFZ Carbon Fiber Package, which equips the Z06 with the ZR1’s carbon-fiber front splitter, rocker panels and roof (all painted black, as opposed to clear-coated on the ZR1), and also its full-width body-color rear spoiler. Combine these two packages, and you ostensibly have an LS7-powered ZR1 with a price tag that is $22K short of the 638-horsepower real deal.
>>>
Much more can be found on the specs
03-29-2011, 03:20 PM
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Deb, where are you seeing this VAST difference in acceleration between the 2 cars?
Just recently a 09 Z06 and ZR1 set terrific times at the track, both on DR's the difference was an earth shattering.....ready for this..... (.19 seconds...ZR1 10.56 vs Z06 10.75
Doesn't seem to be that huge a difference when looking at the numbers the best drivers are getting.....so let's stop exaggerating things shall we.
Just recently a 09 Z06 and ZR1 set terrific times at the track, both on DR's the difference was an earth shattering.....ready for this..... (.19 seconds...ZR1 10.56 vs Z06 10.75
Doesn't seem to be that huge a difference when looking at the numbers the best drivers are getting.....so let's stop exaggerating things shall we.
Originally Posted by Silver05GTO
So to the OP, is the extra 30-40k worth a couple tenths in the 1/4? Do you race to speeds over 170mph often? Do you want the bragging rights?
Both are terrific cars, can't go wrong with either.
Both are terrific cars, can't go wrong with either.
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There are many more differences starting with the Clutch, LS7/LS9 and painted vs Clear Coated Carbon Fiber just to start
<<<Chevrolet now offers the Z07 Performance Package. This $9,495 option includes four chassis upgrades from the ZR1, including that model’s Brembo carbon-ceramic brakes, 19- and 20-inch wheels, Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires (285/30ZR19 front, 335/25ZR20 rear) and Magnetic Ride Control shock absorbers. To close the appearance gap, as well as to improve the Z06’s aerodynamics, Chevrolet offers the $3,995 CFZ Carbon Fiber Package, which equips the Z06 with the ZR1’s carbon-fiber front splitter, rocker panels and roof (all painted black, as opposed to clear-coated on the ZR1), and also its full-width body-color rear spoiler. Combine these two packages, and you ostensibly have an LS7-powered ZR1 with a price tag that is $22K short of the 638-horsepower real deal.
>>>
Much more can be found on the specs
<<<Chevrolet now offers the Z07 Performance Package. This $9,495 option includes four chassis upgrades from the ZR1, including that model’s Brembo carbon-ceramic brakes, 19- and 20-inch wheels, Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires (285/30ZR19 front, 335/25ZR20 rear) and Magnetic Ride Control shock absorbers. To close the appearance gap, as well as to improve the Z06’s aerodynamics, Chevrolet offers the $3,995 CFZ Carbon Fiber Package, which equips the Z06 with the ZR1’s carbon-fiber front splitter, rocker panels and roof (all painted black, as opposed to clear-coated on the ZR1), and also its full-width body-color rear spoiler. Combine these two packages, and you ostensibly have an LS7-powered ZR1 with a price tag that is $22K short of the 638-horsepower real deal.
>>>
Much more can be found on the specs