[Z06] •• Guide & TIR Measurements - New LS7 Heads••
#22
Drifting
Very Interesting..... How did all the valve stems check?? Were any undersized??? Will you be cutting any of the exhaust valves open to check wall thickness and the drilling of the valve stem for being centered??
Thanks for the info.....
Mark
Thanks for the info.....
Mark
#23
Safety Car
That was my next question. We know/conjecture/assume it's guides but what if it's guides and valves?
This (albeit generic) link mentions the top two reasons for failure:
(1) mechanical / thermal over stress
(2) Valve defect (1 in 5 failures)
So mechanical overstress would be - worn (or mis-machined) guides (or seats)
Thermal overstress would be - bad tune(or is it the ethanol in fuel???) or M1 not doing it's job
Valve defect could be machining error or metal defect.
EDIT: I found this interesting, though I can't verify the source:
wikipedia LS Engine article
"A 3-valve per cylinder design was originally slated for the LS7" ...but was shelved due to complexity and the ability of the LS7 to meet it's goals with two valves.
Was it designed to have two exhaust valves and then later "re-designed" in the name of saving money?
Last edited by jedblanks; 10-30-2012 at 02:30 PM.
#24
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
All the valves had small nicks below the valve lock area - see this on most of these - has to be done during assembly
Won't cut these valves -they are brand new - but I'll section one of those I have replaced.
#25
Drifting
Valve stems were dimensionally perfect, at least with as measured with .0001 micrometer.
All the valves had small nicks below the valve lock area - see this on most of these - has to be done during assembly
Won't cut these valves -they are brand new - but I'll section one of those I have replaced.
All the valves had small nicks below the valve lock area - see this on most of these - has to be done during assembly
Won't cut these valves -they are brand new - but I'll section one of those I have replaced.
Mark
Last edited by 08VRZ06; 10-30-2012 at 02:16 PM.
#26
Instructor
The seat TIR is not by any means horrible on these - it's just that I've seen many, many GM heads under this and was surprised.
Please bear in mind that TIR on the seat has several components that make the reading all the more difficult to repeat the measurements
(1) pilot guide condition -(a) how tight to the gage (b) how square to to indicator
(2) gage needle condition
(3) operator
For me, I like to have no more than .002 and typically measure .0015 - but in some cases we can also exceed .002.
Please bear in mind that TIR on the seat has several components that make the reading all the more difficult to repeat the measurements
(1) pilot guide condition -(a) how tight to the gage (b) how square to to indicator
(2) gage needle condition
(3) operator
For me, I like to have no more than .002 and typically measure .0015 - but in some cases we can also exceed .002.
If your TIR readings are correct, both of the new heads you measured don't meet GM specifications on three of the eight exhaust valves for valve seat runout.
Last edited by track junkie; 10-31-2012 at 10:26 PM.