Carbon Fiber Side Vents? Show them
08-01-2018, 02:00 PM
#42
Race Director
Just follow up. I did send another e-mail over to Halltech this last weekend. I have not heard back from them. I'll give them a few more days and give a call.
08-03-2018, 10:46 AM
#43
Melting Slicks
I'm just going to chime in and say that I have used Apsis carbon parts and they are very high quality. You cannot tell a quality difference next to OEM. I can't speak specifically for the vents, but I know a lot of their parts are fiberglass with a real carbon overlay. Keep in mind that the vast majority of carbon is exactly that. Yes, the OEM ZR1 carbon pieces (splitter, side skirts) are 100% carbon but basically all of the aftermarket versions are fiberglass with the overlay, and not a factory plastic piece with the overlay.
Plenty of carbon vendors have crap products with wavy carbon, Apsis is not one of them.
Plenty of carbon vendors have crap products with wavy carbon, Apsis is not one of them.
08-03-2018, 11:11 AM
#44
Premium Supporting Vendor
I would like to chime in an opinion. For those who complain the carbon lamination over stock cores, overall the weight saving is just couple oz. For a car so powerful, how much difference can 1 or 2 oz make?
The other vendor discontinue their products got to have the reason. At least we offer another option for the customers who want to finish these vents and we know all of our customers are happy with our products.
The other vendor discontinue their products got to have the reason. At least we offer another option for the customers who want to finish these vents and we know all of our customers are happy with our products.
08-06-2018, 12:17 PM
#45
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I also am looking for 100% carbon fiber brake ducts for my Z. I just found this thread but I emailed Halltech last week as well.
I am not worried about the weight savings, but more wanting a high quality "true" carbon fiber part. If I just wanted the look, based on the cost to get a overlay vs hydro... why not go with hydro?
I am not worried about the weight savings, but more wanting a high quality "true" carbon fiber part. If I just wanted the look, based on the cost to get a overlay vs hydro... why not go with hydro?
08-07-2018, 01:36 PM
#48
Melting Slicks
I don't understand the guys in here that are against a fiberglass part with a carbon overlay. It's still real carbon. That's what you see and the weight savings is basically nonexistent for these small plastic pieces.
If you're buying the part for aesthetic purposes, there is no difference between a carbon overlay and 100% carbon part. The exterior finish is identical because both pieces are made with real carbon fiber.
The ignorance here is mind blowing.
If you're buying the part for aesthetic purposes, there is no difference between a carbon overlay and 100% carbon part. The exterior finish is identical because both pieces are made with real carbon fiber.
The ignorance here is mind blowing.
08-07-2018, 01:53 PM
#49
Lol yup!
I have never understood it either...
I have never understood it either...
I don't understand the guys in here that are against a fiberglass part with a carbon overlay. It's still real carbon. That's what you see and the weight savings is basically nonexistent for these small plastic pieces.
If you're buying the part for aesthetic purposes, there is no difference between a carbon overlay and 100% carbon part. The exterior finish is identical because both pieces are made with real carbon fiber.
The ignorance here is mind blowing.
If you're buying the part for aesthetic purposes, there is no difference between a carbon overlay and 100% carbon part. The exterior finish is identical because both pieces are made with real carbon fiber.
The ignorance here is mind blowing.
08-07-2018, 01:55 PM
#50
Race Director
No, I didn't get a response. I was going to call them last week, but I ended up with a bunch of stuff that kinda crowded the call Halltech thing out of my mind.
Kinda weird, though, as they usually respond to emails pretty quick.
Todd
Kinda weird, though, as they usually respond to emails pretty quick.
Todd
08-07-2018, 02:00 PM
#51
Race Director
Kinda harsh. Halltech has done a tremendous amount of work for our Corvette community and has always offered the highest of quality parts. If you have seen any of their Carbon Fiber products, you would understand the few of us who wish to continue to support such a great vendor.
08-07-2018, 02:04 PM
#52
His comment wasn't towards vendors. It was towards people having no idea the difference between a laminated carbon piece and full carbon. Then someone threw some dip compare in there and divided by zero.
08-07-2018, 07:56 PM
#54
Pro
Kinda harsh. Halltech has done a tremendous amount of work for our Corvette community and has always offered the highest of quality parts. If you have seen any of their Carbon Fiber products, you would understand the few of us who wish to continue to support such a great vendor.
08-09-2018, 09:25 AM
#55
Melting Slicks
I don't understand the guys in here that are against a fiberglass part with a carbon overlay. It's still real carbon. That's what you see and the weight savings is basically nonexistent for these small plastic pieces.
If you're buying the part for aesthetic purposes, there is no difference between a carbon overlay and 100% carbon part. The exterior finish is identical because both pieces are made with real carbon fiber.
The ignorance here is mind blowing.
If you're buying the part for aesthetic purposes, there is no difference between a carbon overlay and 100% carbon part. The exterior finish is identical because both pieces are made with real carbon fiber.
The ignorance here is mind blowing.
Last edited by Frankie15; 08-09-2018 at 09:30 AM.
08-09-2018, 10:51 AM
#56
Melting Slicks
The problem for me is the price for such a part. I could almost understand the price Apsis is charging if it was 100% carbon fiber, but I have a hard time justifying the cost of those parts when they are just stock pieces with a carbon overlay on them. If the price was more reasonable, I wouldn't hesitate to buy them just because they were not 100% CF. As long as the visible portion is real CF, I would be content.
You're basically saying you want carbon fiber but you don't want to pay for it. Solution = cheap hydro carbon.
08-09-2018, 10:58 AM
#57
Problem is its still the same amount of work to get the proper surface finish on the visible area - that is where the time and cost applies.
The problem for me is the price for such a part. I could almost understand the price Apsis is charging if it was 100% carbon fiber, but I have a hard time justifying the cost of those parts when they are just stock pieces with a carbon overlay on them. If the price was more reasonable, I wouldn't hesitate to buy them just because they were not 100% CF. As long as the visible portion is real CF, I would be content.
08-09-2018, 12:07 PM
#58
Premium Supporting Vendor
Hi All,
Just want to give you a little info about the difficulty of lamination for these scoops.
These scoops are laminated "Inward". Although it's small item but extremely difficult to laminate carbon inward and then apply nice coating to it. Just the final polishing processing on coating takes lots of labor. It will take much more labor than to laminate "outward" on a large smooth pc. Since you can't buy the real carbon replacement parts out there, then our lamination parts are the option. Sometimes you have to look from the production view point and labor is what the cost all about.
The only difference between the carbon replacement scoops vs lamination scoops is only couple oz. Since your engine is so powerful, couple oz weight won't make any difference at all.
Just want to give you a little info about the difficulty of lamination for these scoops.
These scoops are laminated "Inward". Although it's small item but extremely difficult to laminate carbon inward and then apply nice coating to it. Just the final polishing processing on coating takes lots of labor. It will take much more labor than to laminate "outward" on a large smooth pc. Since you can't buy the real carbon replacement parts out there, then our lamination parts are the option. Sometimes you have to look from the production view point and labor is what the cost all about.
The only difference between the carbon replacement scoops vs lamination scoops is only couple oz. Since your engine is so powerful, couple oz weight won't make any difference at all.
08-09-2018, 01:25 PM
#59
Racer
Hi All,
Just want to give you a little info about the difficulty of lamination for these scoops.
These scoops are laminated "Inward". Although it's small item but extremely difficult to laminate carbon inward and then apply nice coating to it. Just the final polishing processing on coating takes lots of labor. It will take much more labor than to laminate "outward" on a large smooth pc. Since you can't buy the real carbon replacement parts out there, then our lamination parts are the option. Sometimes you have to look from the production view point and labor is what the cost all about.
The only difference between the carbon replacement scoops vs lamination scoops is only couple oz. Since your engine is so powerful, couple oz weight won't make any difference at all.
Just want to give you a little info about the difficulty of lamination for these scoops.
These scoops are laminated "Inward". Although it's small item but extremely difficult to laminate carbon inward and then apply nice coating to it. Just the final polishing processing on coating takes lots of labor. It will take much more labor than to laminate "outward" on a large smooth pc. Since you can't buy the real carbon replacement parts out there, then our lamination parts are the option. Sometimes you have to look from the production view point and labor is what the cost all about.
The only difference between the carbon replacement scoops vs lamination scoops is only couple oz. Since your engine is so powerful, couple oz weight won't make any difference at all.
Last edited by RyanT; 08-09-2018 at 01:26 PM.
08-09-2018, 02:33 PM
#60
Melting Slicks
Whether the entire part is carbon from a mold or it's a carbon overlay, IT IS STILL REAL CARBON FIBER. One is made by laying carbon fiber into a mold, the other is made by laying carbon fiber over an existing piece. The end result looks identical because what you are seeing is true, 100% carbon fiber.
You're basically saying you want carbon fiber but you don't want to pay for it. Solution = cheap hydro carbon.
You're basically saying you want carbon fiber but you don't want to pay for it. Solution = cheap hydro carbon.
Hi All,
Just want to give you a little info about the difficulty of lamination for these scoops.
These scoops are laminated "Inward". Although it's small item but extremely difficult to laminate carbon inward and then apply nice coating to it. Just the final polishing processing on coating takes lots of labor. It will take much more labor than to laminate "outward" on a large smooth pc. Since you can't buy the real carbon replacement parts out there, then our lamination parts are the option. Sometimes you have to look from the production view point and labor is what the cost all about.
The only difference between the carbon replacement scoops vs lamination scoops is only couple oz. Since your engine is so powerful, couple oz weight won't make any difference at all.
Just want to give you a little info about the difficulty of lamination for these scoops.
These scoops are laminated "Inward". Although it's small item but extremely difficult to laminate carbon inward and then apply nice coating to it. Just the final polishing processing on coating takes lots of labor. It will take much more labor than to laminate "outward" on a large smooth pc. Since you can't buy the real carbon replacement parts out there, then our lamination parts are the option. Sometimes you have to look from the production view point and labor is what the cost all about.
The only difference between the carbon replacement scoops vs lamination scoops is only couple oz. Since your engine is so powerful, couple oz weight won't make any difference at all.
Last edited by Frankie15; 08-09-2018 at 02:34 PM.