Stock battery under rated for car?
#21
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I have limited experience on this but a couple things jump out:
- batt dies when in ACC mode for 30min. Can you measure the amp draw? I don't know what it is on a stock car, and yours has radar detector, camera etc. It may be rather significant.
- I have had good luck spending the $$ on a 'marine' deep cycle batt in certain applications. Unlike traditional car batteries, they are meant to be drawn down significantly between charges.
- batt dies when in ACC mode for 30min. Can you measure the amp draw? I don't know what it is on a stock car, and yours has radar detector, camera etc. It may be rather significant.
- I have had good luck spending the $$ on a 'marine' deep cycle batt in certain applications. Unlike traditional car batteries, they are meant to be drawn down significantly between charges.
I had a optima blue top in my c4 lasted 10 years. IIRC it's between a starter and a marine type. Don't believe optima make one to fit my batt box.
Last edited by froggy47; 02-14-2019 at 01:22 PM.
#22
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#23
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#24
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I bought my 2010 ZR1 4 years ago today with 9700 miles. 2nd owner with current mileage at 47,000. Replaced OE battery 2 days after I bought it with Optima AGM yellow top 700 CA battery. If I let the car set for 7 days, it may or may not start. Put a charger on it charging at 10 amps and would take 2 to 5 hours to fully charge. Normal charging voltage driving/idle is 13.6 to 13.7 volts per dash gauge. Just replaced the Optima with a D35 810 CA AGM AutoZone Duralast Platinum battery. Starter turns over faster and charging voltage is a solid 13.8 volts. No difference in car running or performance. Would like to replace alternator with Mechman 170 amp unit. However, Mechman makes units for all late model Corvettes except the C6 ZR1. I would gladly pay the $500 for the 170 amp unit if they have one to fit. Do any ZR1 owners have a Mechman alternator installed? Would you please provide the part number.
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#25
I understand there is voltage loss / accuracy issues with the dash voltage gauge but 13s are not acceptable to fully charge a 12v battery. This is what I believe is the cause of early battery issues with our cars. Take a multimeter and see what the voltage is at the battery after the long positive run of wire - proper charge voltage is in the 14v+ range which stock does not deliver.
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#26
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Just about every lead acid battery listed in this thread is just a re-labeled battery from either Johnson Control's (JCI), Exide or East Penn. Interstate is just a label on an Exide battery. I have seen the exact Exide battery 10-15 bucks cheaper than it's Interstate labeled twin. It gets even better when you look at lines of batteries, like Wal-Marts Ever-Start. The lower level Ever-Start might be made by Exide, the medium level by JCI and the top tier by East Penn.
It does improve when you get to AGM batteries because Odyssey and Optima actually manufacture their own batteries. I myself prefer Optima.
Battery Warranties are figured in the favor of battery manufacturers. Let's say you buy a 60-month warranty battery, and it lives 41 months. The warranty is pro-rated, so when taking the months used against the full retail price of the battery you end up paying about the same money as if you purchased the battery at the sale price. This makes the manufacturer happy.
One last note, a bad charger will do more harm than good and a good charger will extend the life of a battery. 80% of all battery failure is related to Sulfation build-up. This build-up occurs when the sulfur molecules in the electrolyte (battery acid) become so deeply discharged that they begin to coat the battery's lead plates. Before long the plates become so coated that the battery dies.
Moral of the story; if you do not DD your car, buy the best battery and charger you can afford and use the charger every time the car sits.
It does improve when you get to AGM batteries because Odyssey and Optima actually manufacture their own batteries. I myself prefer Optima.
Battery Warranties are figured in the favor of battery manufacturers. Let's say you buy a 60-month warranty battery, and it lives 41 months. The warranty is pro-rated, so when taking the months used against the full retail price of the battery you end up paying about the same money as if you purchased the battery at the sale price. This makes the manufacturer happy.
One last note, a bad charger will do more harm than good and a good charger will extend the life of a battery. 80% of all battery failure is related to Sulfation build-up. This build-up occurs when the sulfur molecules in the electrolyte (battery acid) become so deeply discharged that they begin to coat the battery's lead plates. Before long the plates become so coated that the battery dies.
Moral of the story; if you do not DD your car, buy the best battery and charger you can afford and use the charger every time the car sits.
#27
Le Mans Master
interested in what draw you are seeing!
#28
Race Director
Thread Starter
I understand there is voltage loss / accuracy issues with the dash voltage gauge but 13s are not acceptable to fully charge a 12v battery. This is what I believe is the cause of early battery issues with our cars. Take a multimeter and see what the voltage is at the battery after the long positive run of wire - proper charge voltage is in the 14v+ range which stock does not deliver.
Go figure.
#29
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Thread Starter
Just about every lead acid battery listed in this thread is just a re-labeled battery from either Johnson Control's (JCI), Exide or East Penn. Interstate is just a label on an Exide battery. I have seen the exact Exide battery 10-15 bucks cheaper than it's Interstate labeled twin. It gets even better when you look at lines of batteries, like Wal-Marts Ever-Start. The lower level Ever-Start might be made by Exide, the medium level by JCI and the top tier by East Penn.
It does improve when you get to AGM batteries because Odyssey and Optima actually manufacture their own batteries. I myself prefer Optima.
Battery Warranties are figured in the favor of battery manufacturers. Let's say you buy a 60-month warranty battery, and it lives 41 months. The warranty is pro-rated, so when taking the months used against the full retail price of the battery you end up paying about the same money as if you purchased the battery at the sale price. This makes the manufacturer happy.
One last note, a bad charger will do more harm than good and a good charger will extend the life of a battery. 80% of all battery failure is related to Sulfation build-up. This build-up occurs when the sulfur molecules in the electrolyte (battery acid) become so deeply discharged that they begin to coat the battery's lead plates. Before long the plates become so coated that the battery dies.
Moral of the story; if you do not DD your car, buy the best battery and charger you can afford and use the charger every time the car sits.
It does improve when you get to AGM batteries because Odyssey and Optima actually manufacture their own batteries. I myself prefer Optima.
Battery Warranties are figured in the favor of battery manufacturers. Let's say you buy a 60-month warranty battery, and it lives 41 months. The warranty is pro-rated, so when taking the months used against the full retail price of the battery you end up paying about the same money as if you purchased the battery at the sale price. This makes the manufacturer happy.
One last note, a bad charger will do more harm than good and a good charger will extend the life of a battery. 80% of all battery failure is related to Sulfation build-up. This build-up occurs when the sulfur molecules in the electrolyte (battery acid) become so deeply discharged that they begin to coat the battery's lead plates. Before long the plates become so coated that the battery dies.
Moral of the story; if you do not DD your car, buy the best battery and charger you can afford and use the charger every time the car sits.
#30
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#31
The physical size of the battery is too small for all that's going on. My other C6 killed battery's constantly as my trip to work was not long enough to sufficiently charge it. I keep mine on a charger if the car is sitting for more than a couple day's, in a week it would be dead. The only option is a more expensive non lead acid battery with more capacity.
#32
Burning Brakes
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I have owned my '08 Z06 for almost 11 years now. Picked it up at the Corvette Museum in April 2008. The OEM battery was still fine when I replaced it after 5.5 years of faultless service. I installed my Autozone Duralast Gold vented battery at that time and it still tests at 92% capacity. P.S. my alternator and starter are 100% original equipment. Not sure why people are whining about these.
#34
Burning Brakes
I picked up the Everstart Maxx T5 from Walmart a week ago. Johnson Controls stamp on the top of it. $119. The stock six year old battery is still going strong. I'm replacing it now to avoid any issues in the future.
#35
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I have owned my '08 Z06 for almost 11 years now. Picked it up at the Corvette Museum in April 2008. The OEM battery was still fine when I replaced it after 5.5 years of faultless service. I installed my Autozone Duralast Gold vented battery at that time and it still tests at 92% capacity. P.S. my alternator and starter are 100% original equipment. Not sure why people are whining about these.
Taking a one off story that is not indicative of the norm, is not the best way to present an argument.
#36
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The physical size of the battery is too small for all that's going on. My other C6 killed battery's constantly as my trip to work was not long enough to sufficiently charge it. I keep mine on a charger if the car is sitting for more than a couple day's, in a week it would be dead. The only option is a more expensive non lead acid battery with more capacity.
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I must be the "minority" here.. I bought my 08C6Z 2 yrs ago w 22K.. (stock).. Now @ 30K miles heavily modified and compression bumped my AC Delco/ Stock alternator are always @ 14 volts.. they "may" dip to the 13's but not too often. Not sure if if the PO changed the battery. That being said I can leave my car sitting for 2+ weeks w/o starting even in the winter in my garage, go out and she fires up every time. "knock on wood"... I do have a battery tender that I should perhaps throw on there. Getting ready to add a new stereo w amp and a single sub. May upgrade battery and alt @ the same time.
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