[Z06] I've been hearing LOTS of talk lately that the real HP # for the Z06.....
03-09-2004, 08:59 PM
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Re: I've been hearing LOTS of talk lately that the real HP # for the Z06..... (Mag Red C6 Z51)
If GM underrates LS7 by 5 or more hp so it stays just under 500 don't be surprised. Most Vette owners like the fact our insurance is around $1,000 a year or less. GM doesn't want to go raising any red flags boasting HUGE HP numbers.
If buyers are worried about insurance costs, they can go with the base C6.
03-10-2004, 12:26 AM
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Re: Make no sense (Ryan Bell)
Hey Ryan your pretty good at this, How many Crystal ***** do you have 
What, you don't get it?
Is this an insult or a "wow he's been right about a lot" comment?
What, you don't get it?
Is this an insult or a "wow he's been right about a lot" comment?
03-16-2004, 09:36 AM
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Re: I've been hearing LOTS of talk lately that the real HP # for the Z06..... (Ryan Bell)
One thing I would add here, is that the C6 Z06 will be the first corvette that Bob Lutz has a lot of time to oversee. I think he will make up for the shortcomings in poweroutput that seems to come from Hill. Whether thats good or bad. Lutz seems to shoot for the moon no matter what in his career. So if he forces Hill's engineering skills to go ahead and push the limits, it will be good i beleive.
03-16-2004, 10:16 AM
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Re: I've been hearing LOTS of talk lately that the real HP # for the Z06..... (kewlbrz)
This from the Dave Hill interview in the latest Ken Fichtner newsletter:
"Having said that, I will tell you that the Z06 is going to have supercar performance at unbelievable value. The Z06 is very healthy, it's going to be very awesome, and as I say to people it'll be worth the wait. So, while 85% of my time is spent on the 2005, that leaves another 40% for the Z06. Plus we have some other things we're playing around with too."
I think GM continues to point to a Z06 in the 50K range rather than 60K as earlier rumors had it. This would lend credibility to the 450 hp number. Also look at the fact that in the coupe the HUD will only be available with the 1SB option package along with such necessities as heated seats, memory package, and power telescoping steering wheel. It looks to me like the Z06 will be a relatively higher volume model and that they are steering people like myself primarily oriented to performance away from the coupe.
"Having said that, I will tell you that the Z06 is going to have supercar performance at unbelievable value. The Z06 is very healthy, it's going to be very awesome, and as I say to people it'll be worth the wait. So, while 85% of my time is spent on the 2005, that leaves another 40% for the Z06. Plus we have some other things we're playing around with too."
I think GM continues to point to a Z06 in the 50K range rather than 60K as earlier rumors had it. This would lend credibility to the 450 hp number. Also look at the fact that in the coupe the HUD will only be available with the 1SB option package along with such necessities as heated seats, memory package, and power telescoping steering wheel. It looks to me like the Z06 will be a relatively higher volume model and that they are steering people like myself primarily oriented to performance away from the coupe.
03-17-2004, 10:17 AM
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Re: Make no sense (Ryan Bell)
I think Ryan is correct.We all thought the C6 would have more power than
the current Z06 and it does not.I think you are all going to be disappointed
when the Z06 does not have 500hp.I sure hope it does,but 450-475 sounds
about right.
the current Z06 and it does not.I think you are all going to be disappointed
when the Z06 does not have 500hp.I sure hope it does,but 450-475 sounds
about right.
03-17-2004, 03:56 PM
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Re: Make no sense (bhamvett)
Honestly, I don't really care much about the HP number. What matters to me more is what the bottom line performance numbers are.
If they can get the new Z06 to do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, do the 1/4 mile in the 11's, pull over 1.0G on the skidpad, and stop 60-0 in 105 feet or less, while keeping the weight the same or less, I would be a happy man. In other words, hang with or beat the new Viper. If they do all this with 450 hp or 500hp, does it matter?
Anyone who is not impressed with those performance numbers, even if the car has "only" 450hp, has got a few screws loose, IMO.
If they can get the new Z06 to do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, do the 1/4 mile in the 11's, pull over 1.0G on the skidpad, and stop 60-0 in 105 feet or less, while keeping the weight the same or less, I would be a happy man. In other words, hang with or beat the new Viper. If they do all this with 450 hp or 500hp, does it matter?
Anyone who is not impressed with those performance numbers, even if the car has "only" 450hp, has got a few screws loose, IMO.
03-18-2004, 02:01 AM
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Re: Make no sense (stingray454)
Honestly, I don't really care much about the HP number. What matters to me more is what the bottom line performance numbers are.
If they can get the new Z06 to do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, do the 1/4 mile in the 11's, pull over 1.0G on the skidpad, and stop 60-0 in 105 feet or less, while keeping the weight the same or less, I would be a happy man. In other words, hang with or beat the new Viper. If they do all this with 450 hp or 500hp, does it matter?
Anyone who is not impressed with those performance numbers, even if the car has "only" 450hp, has got a few screws loose, IMO.
If they can get the new Z06 to do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, do the 1/4 mile in the 11's, pull over 1.0G on the skidpad, and stop 60-0 in 105 feet or less, while keeping the weight the same or less, I would be a happy man. In other words, hang with or beat the new Viper. If they do all this with 450 hp or 500hp, does it matter?
Anyone who is not impressed with those performance numbers, even if the car has "only" 450hp, has got a few screws loose, IMO.
03-18-2004, 01:42 PM
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Re: Make no sense (SWCDuke)
Sure they did! You don't design, test, and build a new car in a year. It's usually a four to five year process, but might be doable in three years on a crash program.
The early planning sets engine performance goals and engine options. From that point things can change, but you can bet that the LS2 and LS7 have been in the works since at least '99.
There are engineers and designers that are now working on the C7 and LS3 and LS8, or whatever the next generation of engines end up being coded.
Duke
The early planning sets engine performance goals and engine options. From that point things can change, but you can bet that the LS2 and LS7 have been in the works since at least '99.
There are engineers and designers that are now working on the C7 and LS3 and LS8, or whatever the next generation of engines end up being coded.
Duke
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03-20-2004, 06:03 PM
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Re: Make no sense (SteveJ)
Okay, let me put out my theory again. I think things have changed since Dave Hill gave that interview in Autoweek. Specifically, I am guessing that the response to the base C6 has been less than hoped for, as indicated by the size of dealers' waiting lists. I am thinking they are going to reduce hp to 450 and cost to between $50K and $55K strictly for marketing reasons. This has nothing to do with what GM COULD do if it wanted. I think it's very likely that GM has tested internally various engines with different hp figures, and that they can choose one of the alternatives at the last minute for marketing reaons.
It wouldnt surprise me but I would sorta hope for the exact opposite response.
03-21-2004, 11:28 PM
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Re: Make no sense (DarkHalo)
Okay, let me put out my theory again. I think things have changed since Dave Hill gave that interview in Autoweek. Specifically, I am guessing that the response to the base C6 has been less than hoped for, as indicated by the size of dealers' waiting lists. I am thinking they are going to reduce hp to 450 and cost to between $50K and $55K strictly for marketing reasons. This has nothing to do with what GM COULD do if it wanted. I think it's very likely that GM has tested internally various engines with different hp figures, and that they can choose one of the alternatives at the last minute for marketing reaons.
So theyre getting a soft response from people and their reaction is to give them a crappier car? *scratches head* Hmmmm....
It wouldnt surprise me but I would sorta hope for the exact opposite response.
So theyre getting a soft response from people and their reaction is to give them a crappier car? *scratches head* Hmmmm....
It wouldnt surprise me but I would sorta hope for the exact opposite response.
03-23-2004, 12:41 AM
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Re: I've been hearing LOTS of talk lately that the real HP # for the Z06..... (big bollas)
I have posted this before, but here is an SAE tech article on the new 3V engine and they specificly talk about a 6.3L version making 500hp. http://www.sae.org/automag/techbrief...1-111-9-26.pdf
Maybe that is just for the trucks :p:
Maybe that is just for the trucks :p:
03-23-2004, 01:16 PM
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Re: I've been hearing LOTS of talk lately that the real HP # for the Z06..... (racerns)
Impressive engine can rev up to 8,000 rpms!!!!!! 
Can't wait to see this engine in the new Z.......
What about those twin discs brakes are they going to make it for the Z?
I have been hearing that the Z will use some type of special brakes but not specifics yet.......
Can't wait to see this engine in the new Z.......
What about those twin discs brakes are they going to make it for the Z?
I have been hearing that the Z will use some type of special brakes but not specifics yet.......
04-10-2004, 10:38 PM
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Re: Make no sense (Scissors)
Let me get this straight. You think that they knew five years before it came out what the engine would be in the 2005 C6? I think not.
Yes, they did--as Duke already went over in the post above.
Try reading ACAR. You'll learn something.
[Modified by Scissors, 7:32 PM 2/15/2004]
Yes, they did--as Duke already went over in the post above.
Try reading ACAR. You'll learn something.
[Modified by Scissors, 7:32 PM 2/15/2004]
