turbo Vs. supercharger opinion's
#1
turbo Vs. supercharger opinion's
I was just wanting some opinion's about having a supercharger on your car, like a procharger or having the sts twin turbo kit on your car? What are some pro's and cons on each one and what would be the best for the money, because you can have a SC kit for around $6500 and the STS TT kit starts at $8500. Let me here some opinion's guys. Also for the people with the procharger kit, are you happy with the way it performs??
#2
Team Owner
I wouldn't do either of those. I'd stick with a tried and true twin turbo package that mounts the turbos in the front of the vehicle. Kits such as TTi X, APS, and Lingenfelter.
The problems with blowers are broken belts, idlers, tensioners, etc.
Mark
The problems with blowers are broken belts, idlers, tensioners, etc.
Mark
#3
Race Director
Originally Posted by mdhmi
I wouldn't do either of those. I'd stick with a tried and true twin turbo package that mounts the turbos in the front of the vehicle. Kits such as TTi X, APS, and Lingenfelter.
The problems with blowers are broken belts, idlers, tensioners, etc.
Mark
The problems with blowers are broken belts, idlers, tensioners, etc.
Mark
The problem with a twin turbo is dollars and cents.
#4
Team Owner
Turbos are definitely not cheap - I won't argue with you there. Neither is a supercharger when you factor in the true costs (8 rib assembly, long tube headers, etc).
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Originally Posted by BEVANSC6
Also for the people with the procharger kit, are you happy with the way it performs??
Jeremy
#6
Alright, I am quite familiar with turbos, however I have never dealt with a rear turbo set-up. The heat these turbos create underneath the car... is this safe? What about driving in the rain with this kind of set-up? Are these TT set-ups emissions legal, or is this off-road use only? How about install and tune cost for a TT set-up? Someone please provide some feedback, I thought I was set on a S/C set-up but I just love turbo's =)
#7
My humble opinions, for what they are worth:
Turbo Pros:
- More power potential, better efficiency
- Virtually silent
Turbo Cons:
- Turbo lag, sluggish throttle response
- Need to let turbos cool off after running hard to prevent the oil from coking the bearings
- Generally very expensive
Positive Displacement Supercharger (ala Magnacharger) Pros:
- Effecient at lower revs
- Instant throttle response, very torquey
- Usually fairly simple installation, looks good
- Good pricing
Positive Displacement Supercharger Cons:
- Inefficient at higher revs, power tends to flatten out at the upper rev range
- Heats the intake charge more, limits total boost
- Blower whine (some may say this is a Pro!)
Centrifugal Supercharger (ala Procharger) Pros:
- Reasonably inexpensive
- Very good HP potential (better than P.D., less than Turbos)
- Fits under the stock hood
Centrifugal Supercharger Cons:
- Reliability, i.e., belts coming off, idler pulley failures, etc. These are all personal experiences I've had.
- Powercurve very top-heavy, needs revs to build boost
- Sluggish throttle response
I think you need to ask yourself the following questions about how you want your car to feel at the end of this process:
Q: Do I want the most possible horespower, money no object?
A: Turbos and intercooler
Q: Do I want a completely stock outward appearance, a "sleeper"?
A: Centrifugal or turbos.
Q: Do I want instant throttle response and good low end torque?
A: Use a positive displacement or roots type supercharger.
For a daily street driver, I would go with a PD supercharger. I had some bad experiences with my Vortech on my '97 Cobra. Always something going wrong, plus low-end torque sucked. Once the system was working and you were in the powerband, hang on, but I think a Maggie would give you the feeling that you have a bigger engine.
Have fun!
SMM
Turbo Pros:
- More power potential, better efficiency
- Virtually silent
Turbo Cons:
- Turbo lag, sluggish throttle response
- Need to let turbos cool off after running hard to prevent the oil from coking the bearings
- Generally very expensive
Positive Displacement Supercharger (ala Magnacharger) Pros:
- Effecient at lower revs
- Instant throttle response, very torquey
- Usually fairly simple installation, looks good
- Good pricing
Positive Displacement Supercharger Cons:
- Inefficient at higher revs, power tends to flatten out at the upper rev range
- Heats the intake charge more, limits total boost
- Blower whine (some may say this is a Pro!)
Centrifugal Supercharger (ala Procharger) Pros:
- Reasonably inexpensive
- Very good HP potential (better than P.D., less than Turbos)
- Fits under the stock hood
Centrifugal Supercharger Cons:
- Reliability, i.e., belts coming off, idler pulley failures, etc. These are all personal experiences I've had.
- Powercurve very top-heavy, needs revs to build boost
- Sluggish throttle response
I think you need to ask yourself the following questions about how you want your car to feel at the end of this process:
Q: Do I want the most possible horespower, money no object?
A: Turbos and intercooler
Q: Do I want a completely stock outward appearance, a "sleeper"?
A: Centrifugal or turbos.
Q: Do I want instant throttle response and good low end torque?
A: Use a positive displacement or roots type supercharger.
For a daily street driver, I would go with a PD supercharger. I had some bad experiences with my Vortech on my '97 Cobra. Always something going wrong, plus low-end torque sucked. Once the system was working and you were in the powerband, hang on, but I think a Maggie would give you the feeling that you have a bigger engine.
Have fun!
SMM
#9
Team Owner
Originally Posted by saplumr
There is NO sluggish throttle response from my ProCharger.
Mark
#10
Race Director
Originally Posted by mdhmi
Nor is there with a properly spec'd turbo setup. Right heads, cam, gear, turbo size, etc are all important in a FI package.
Mark
Mark