Anybody run dry?
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Originally Posted by boosted_z06
Prove it, real simple record with a scanner, do 1 run, N20 OFF, then ON then OFF
Now publish the PCM parameters as I mentioned in above post and show when you sprayed through MAF that it reported any different then when N20 was off !
I expect you to do that and show N20 effects what MAF reports in AIR mass
Now publish the PCM parameters as I mentioned in above post and show when you sprayed through MAF that it reported any different then when N20 was off !
I expect you to do that and show N20 effects what MAF reports in AIR mass
Did you totally skip over Beer's post? He did just that, sprayed across the MAF (Dry kit) and then post MAF (wet kit) and he even broke the info down for you! Stop skipping over the facts and trying to elude you have validity on the nitrous thru the MAF concept. Your looking like an idiot, if it didnt work then why would so many different companies sell a PRE-MAF Dry Setup?
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Originally Posted by boosted_z06
AGAIN REVIEW ALL THE TEST RESULTS THAT INCLUDE ALL THE SCANNER DATA ON THE TEAM ZR-1 FORUM USING C5s.
LOT MORE DETAIL THERE THEN VENDORS JUST CLAIMING SPRAYING THROUGH A MAF IS THE WAY TO GO FOR IT IF WAS THEN ALL THOSE SELLING OR BUYING N20 NOZZLE PLATES OR DIRECT PORTING HAVE THEIR HEADS UP THEIR BUTTS
AGAIN PROOF, DO THE SCANNER REOCRDING AND SHOW DELIVERED TORQUE INCREASED WHEN N20 WAS ON AND SHOW AIRMASS IN GRAMS/SEC OR GRMS/CYLINDER MAKING HUGH CHANGES FOR IF THERE WAS AND ENGINE HAS MODS AND WAS ALREADY AT THE LIMITS OF MAF FLOW THEN WE WOULD SEE TONS OF FORUM POSTS WITH PEOPLE GETTING MAF ERROR CODES WHEN SPRAYING THROUGH THE MAF.
YOUR CATCH 22 IS IF DELIVERED TORQUE WHEN N20 IS ON AND THE TORQUE VALUES ARE SAME ( MOST LIKELY WILL REPORT LOWER ) AS WHEN N20 WAS OFF SHOWS MAF DOES NOT SEE N20 SINCE TORQUE IN PART IS CALCULATED BY WHAT THE MAF REPORTS AS AIRMASS.
LOT MORE DETAIL THERE THEN VENDORS JUST CLAIMING SPRAYING THROUGH A MAF IS THE WAY TO GO FOR IT IF WAS THEN ALL THOSE SELLING OR BUYING N20 NOZZLE PLATES OR DIRECT PORTING HAVE THEIR HEADS UP THEIR BUTTS
AGAIN PROOF, DO THE SCANNER REOCRDING AND SHOW DELIVERED TORQUE INCREASED WHEN N20 WAS ON AND SHOW AIRMASS IN GRAMS/SEC OR GRMS/CYLINDER MAKING HUGH CHANGES FOR IF THERE WAS AND ENGINE HAS MODS AND WAS ALREADY AT THE LIMITS OF MAF FLOW THEN WE WOULD SEE TONS OF FORUM POSTS WITH PEOPLE GETTING MAF ERROR CODES WHEN SPRAYING THROUGH THE MAF.
YOUR CATCH 22 IS IF DELIVERED TORQUE WHEN N20 IS ON AND THE TORQUE VALUES ARE SAME ( MOST LIKELY WILL REPORT LOWER ) AS WHEN N20 WAS OFF SHOWS MAF DOES NOT SEE N20 SINCE TORQUE IN PART IS CALCULATED BY WHAT THE MAF REPORTS AS AIRMASS.
Ok, let me take this back to the begining, Mike asked about using a Dry Nitrous Kit. Do you understand the difference b/w Dry and Wet? Obviously not. And you surely need to before you give out half-assed information on spraying a dry kit after the MAF.
Now, stop popping off all the tuning parameters information and concentrate on the topic please. If you dont have any reliable information, but just want to spout off how much you really dont know, then get out of a tech related thread!
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YOUR SCANNER RECORDINGS ARE A JOKE,
5900 RPMS, ONLY DOING 86 MPH, YOUR INJECTOR DUTY CYCLE OF 92 % VIOLATES INJECTOR FLOW DESIGN, WHILE TIMING IS AT 28 DEGREES WHEN INJECTORS ARE FAILING BEHIND ( NOT SAFE AT ALL )
MAF IS LESS THEN 10,000 HZ WHICH IS NO WHERE NEAR MAXIMUM FLOW AND THE GRMS/CYL ONLY .89 WHICH IS NOWERE NEAR MAXIMUM ABILITY OF A ENGINE WITHOUT NOS AND YOUR GAUGING THAT AS PROOF ?
I LIKE THAT ONE GAUGE REPORTING AFR IS 21.76
5900 RPMS, ONLY DOING 86 MPH, YOUR INJECTOR DUTY CYCLE OF 92 % VIOLATES INJECTOR FLOW DESIGN, WHILE TIMING IS AT 28 DEGREES WHEN INJECTORS ARE FAILING BEHIND ( NOT SAFE AT ALL )
MAF IS LESS THEN 10,000 HZ WHICH IS NO WHERE NEAR MAXIMUM FLOW AND THE GRMS/CYL ONLY .89 WHICH IS NOWERE NEAR MAXIMUM ABILITY OF A ENGINE WITHOUT NOS AND YOUR GAUGING THAT AS PROOF ?
I LIKE THAT ONE GAUGE REPORTING AFR IS 21.76
Originally Posted by Beer99C5
A NOS Plate is a wet system as is Direct Port, not DRY, DRY being the subject of this thread.
A NOS Plate is put between the TB and the Manifold not before the TB (Download the instructions they are readily availible from the Holley Site/NOS/GM EFI section).
On a WET Nozzle System, yes install install in front of the TB.
But again this thread is specific to DRY systems...
Wrong, take a look at the EFI Scan screens below comparing DRY 50 shot to a 125 Wet Shot, look at the MAF readings, Dry having the Nitrous flowing through the MAF, and Wet has no Nitrous going through the MAF.
Wrong, yet again take a look at the EFI Scan screens below comparing DRY 50 shot to a 125 Wet Shot, look at the Fuel Inject Duty Cycle readings, Dry having the Nitrous flowing through the MAF, and Wet has no Nitrous going through the MAF.
Actually I found LS1tech to be way more helpful and friendly than asking nitrous questions here at the Corvetteforum. In Fact if you look at the replies to most Nitrous Post, the few guys answering the questions are all pretty much members of LS1tech also. Don't get me wrong, the corvette forum is excellent, however there is more interest in Supercharging and Turbo's vs. doing a 150 shot of nitrous on a stock motor.
LOL no, I think most damage is done by people not reading the instructions...
LOL its not only the forum, its the KIT INSTRUCTIONS.
Here is your raw data.
1999 C-5 Stock LS1 Two Stage Nitrous, a Dry Stage and a Nitrous Outlet Wet Plate kit. Either system can be fired independantly or together. For the screens below they were fired each as a stand alone.
EFI Scan screens showing a Dry 50 Shot spraying in front of the MAF, notice the MAF readings and the injector duty cycle and compare that to a 125 Wet plate shot (the second Screen) done within minutes of each other on the same car. Ignore the LC-1 and Fuel Pressure info, those were not hooked up during the Scan.
50 Dry Shot before the MAF
This shows a colder IAT as it should and shows the Fuel Injectors DC 11% higher than the wet, MAF lbs/Min is higher than the wet, MAF frequency is higher than the wet, the CylAir is higher than the wet. Keep in mind a 50 shot is small, I am waiting on my Wideband RMA to up the shot.
125 Wet Shot no Nitrous flowing through the MAF
As one can see the MAF does see the Nitrous, and adds fuel through the fuel injectors, just as the kit is designed to do.
A NOS Plate is put between the TB and the Manifold not before the TB (Download the instructions they are readily availible from the Holley Site/NOS/GM EFI section).
On a WET Nozzle System, yes install install in front of the TB.
But again this thread is specific to DRY systems...
Wrong, take a look at the EFI Scan screens below comparing DRY 50 shot to a 125 Wet Shot, look at the MAF readings, Dry having the Nitrous flowing through the MAF, and Wet has no Nitrous going through the MAF.
Wrong, yet again take a look at the EFI Scan screens below comparing DRY 50 shot to a 125 Wet Shot, look at the Fuel Inject Duty Cycle readings, Dry having the Nitrous flowing through the MAF, and Wet has no Nitrous going through the MAF.
Actually I found LS1tech to be way more helpful and friendly than asking nitrous questions here at the Corvetteforum. In Fact if you look at the replies to most Nitrous Post, the few guys answering the questions are all pretty much members of LS1tech also. Don't get me wrong, the corvette forum is excellent, however there is more interest in Supercharging and Turbo's vs. doing a 150 shot of nitrous on a stock motor.
LOL no, I think most damage is done by people not reading the instructions...
LOL its not only the forum, its the KIT INSTRUCTIONS.
Here is your raw data.
1999 C-5 Stock LS1 Two Stage Nitrous, a Dry Stage and a Nitrous Outlet Wet Plate kit. Either system can be fired independantly or together. For the screens below they were fired each as a stand alone.
EFI Scan screens showing a Dry 50 Shot spraying in front of the MAF, notice the MAF readings and the injector duty cycle and compare that to a 125 Wet plate shot (the second Screen) done within minutes of each other on the same car. Ignore the LC-1 and Fuel Pressure info, those were not hooked up during the Scan.
50 Dry Shot before the MAF
This shows a colder IAT as it should and shows the Fuel Injectors DC 11% higher than the wet, MAF lbs/Min is higher than the wet, MAF frequency is higher than the wet, the CylAir is higher than the wet. Keep in mind a 50 shot is small, I am waiting on my Wideband RMA to up the shot.
125 Wet Shot no Nitrous flowing through the MAF
As one can see the MAF does see the Nitrous, and adds fuel through the fuel injectors, just as the kit is designed to do.
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And Boosted (obviously not juiced by dry) I like how you skipped right over Beers stating dont worry about the gauges as they werent hooked up in reference to your condesceding AFR of 21.... tool!
Now, get off the tuning issue and step the hell up to my Bet man. You think you know the in's about dry and wet etc...come on honcho, bring your car down here so I can hook ya up. Dont wanna a little smartass like me showing you up do ya? Get back on topic please my ignore the facts, twist the details.
Now, get off the tuning issue and step the hell up to my Bet man. You think you know the in's about dry and wet etc...come on honcho, bring your car down here so I can hook ya up. Dont wanna a little smartass like me showing you up do ya? Get back on topic please my ignore the facts, twist the details.
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Originally Posted by boosted_z06
AGAIN REVIEW ALL THE TEST RESULTS THAT INCLUDE ALL THE SCANNER DATA ON THE TEAM ZR-1 FORUM USING C5s.
LOT MORE DETAIL THERE THEN VENDORS JUST CLAIMING SPRAYING THROUGH A MAF IS THE WAY TO GO FOR IT IF WAS THEN ALL THOSE SELLING OR BUYING N20 NOZZLE PLATES OR DIRECT PORTING HAVE THEIR HEADS UP THEIR BUTTS
AGAIN PROOF, DO THE SCANNER REOCRDING AND SHOW DELIVERED TORQUE INCREASED WHEN N20 WAS ON AND SHOW AIRMASS IN GRAMS/SEC OR GRMS/CYLINDER MAKING HUGH CHANGES FOR IF THERE WAS AND ENGINE HAS MODS AND WAS ALREADY AT THE LIMITS OF MAF FLOW THEN WE WOULD SEE TONS OF FORUM POSTS WITH PEOPLE GETTING MAF ERROR CODES WHEN SPRAYING THROUGH THE MAF.
YOUR CATCH 22 IS IF DELIVERED TORQUE WHEN N20 IS ON AND THE TORQUE VALUES ARE SAME ( MOST LIKELY WILL REPORT LOWER ) AS WHEN N20 WAS OFF SHOWS MAF DOES NOT SEE N20 SINCE TORQUE IN PART IS CALCULATED BY WHAT THE MAF REPORTS AS AIRMASS.
LOT MORE DETAIL THERE THEN VENDORS JUST CLAIMING SPRAYING THROUGH A MAF IS THE WAY TO GO FOR IT IF WAS THEN ALL THOSE SELLING OR BUYING N20 NOZZLE PLATES OR DIRECT PORTING HAVE THEIR HEADS UP THEIR BUTTS
AGAIN PROOF, DO THE SCANNER REOCRDING AND SHOW DELIVERED TORQUE INCREASED WHEN N20 WAS ON AND SHOW AIRMASS IN GRAMS/SEC OR GRMS/CYLINDER MAKING HUGH CHANGES FOR IF THERE WAS AND ENGINE HAS MODS AND WAS ALREADY AT THE LIMITS OF MAF FLOW THEN WE WOULD SEE TONS OF FORUM POSTS WITH PEOPLE GETTING MAF ERROR CODES WHEN SPRAYING THROUGH THE MAF.
YOUR CATCH 22 IS IF DELIVERED TORQUE WHEN N20 IS ON AND THE TORQUE VALUES ARE SAME ( MOST LIKELY WILL REPORT LOWER ) AS WHEN N20 WAS OFF SHOWS MAF DOES NOT SEE N20 SINCE TORQUE IN PART IS CALCULATED BY WHAT THE MAF REPORTS AS AIRMASS.
MAn...your way off out in left field. I have sprayed a 300 shot ALL DRY right down the MAF. And I have done it in dual stages as well. Tq went from approx 415 rwtq NA to well over 700 rwtq on the dry shot. Af went from 13 to 1 NA to approx 10.5 to 1 on the dry shot.
THOUSANDS of LS1 peaople have been spraying the **** out of MAFs with dry kits since 1998? Where in the hell have you been?
I have personally installed and set up many many nitrous kits. dry kits, wet kits, dual stage dry kits, dual stage wet/dry kits, dry /direct port dual stages... etc etc.
I have maxed out my MAF and others MAFS many times. MAF readings way higher than it would ever be NA alone.
And when you spray dry nitrous down th MAF the mix is more dense than air alone. Thier are still small droplets..or fog..that travels down the MAF. That in tern will create a more dense MASS charge overall. That has to be picked up via the MAF sensor. And once again...why would the n20 have to be split into 02 for the MAF to read it??? It doesnt. This is not an 02 sensor. its a MASS sensor. It does NOT read 02 in anyway shape or form other than the fact that that 02 is a part of the overall mass flowing through that orifice.
And no one ever said peolple using wet kits, direct ports, or plates have thier head up thier butt. Dry kit is just another excellent delivery method the LS1 community has available.
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As ripped from Beers post:
Ignore the LC-1 and Fuel Pressure info, those were not hooked up during the Scan.
Seems to me the issue with your lack of nitrous use is attributed to your lack of reading comprehension. If you took the time to read and understand the written language, you might find out you are wrong about dry nitrous being sprayed post maf and working all that well, if at all. Maybe you did the same thing with Team ZR-1's website info?
Ignore the LC-1 and Fuel Pressure info, those were not hooked up during the Scan.
Seems to me the issue with your lack of nitrous use is attributed to your lack of reading comprehension. If you took the time to read and understand the written language, you might find out you are wrong about dry nitrous being sprayed post maf and working all that well, if at all. Maybe you did the same thing with Team ZR-1's website info?
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Originally Posted by CAT3
Ok, let me take this back to the begining, Mike asked about using a Dry Nitrous Kit. Do you understand the difference b/w Dry and Wet? Obviously not. And you surely need to before you give out half-assed information on spraying a dry kit after the MAF.
Now, stop popping off all the tuning parameters information and concentrate on the topic please. If you dont have any reliable information, but just want to spout off how much you really dont know, then get out of a tech related thread!
Now, stop popping off all the tuning parameters information and concentrate on the topic please. If you dont have any reliable information, but just want to spout off how much you really dont know, then get out of a tech related thread!
SO LETS SPRAY AS YOU DO IN THE AIR CLEANER, WHERE BEING AIRCLEANER PASSES AIR ALSO REDUCES N2O PRESSURE RATHER THEN IN THE AIRBRIDGE WHERE IT CAN ONLY GO ONE WAY INTO THE INTAKE WERE IT BELONGS.
THE NORM OF YOU LS1TECH GUYS IF OTHERS DO NOT DRINK THE COOLAID WE ARE HALFASSED YET YOU HAVE GIVEN NO FACTS AT ALL OR PROVED AFTER MAF IS FLAWED.
HOW COME THE TEAM ZR-1 TEST CAR PUT OUT JUST AROUND 600 REARWHEEL HP AND TQ WITH NO KNOCK AND SPRAY WAS AFTER THE MAF ?
YOUR ALSO SAYING THOSE WHO DIRECT PORT N20 INTO THE CYLINDERS ARE HALF ASSED OR YOUR REALLY SAYING IS DO NOT DO THE RIGHT THING BY TUNING THE PCM AND LIE TO IT BY N20 IN A MAF WILL BY MAGIC MAKE PCM DURING WOT PROPERLY ADJUST
WHEN YOU HEAT A N20 TANK TO 150 DEGREES, WHAT IS THE TEMP OF THE LIQUID STATE OF N20 ?
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Originally Posted by boosted_z06
RIGHT THAT IS THE NORMAL KID STUFF, SCREW THE TUNING AND PCM SCANNER DATA AND LETS ALL BLOW N20 THROUGH A MAF WHEN NOT ONE OF YOU SHOWED ANY REASON THAT N20 AFTER THE MAF WAS THE WRONG WAY OF DOING IT.
SO LETS SPRAY AS YOU DO IN THE AIR CLEANER, WHERE BEING AIRCLEANER PASSES AIR ALSO REDUCES N2O PRESSURE RATHER THEN IN THE AIRBRIDGE WHERE IT CAN ONLY GO ONE WAY INTO THE INTAKE WERE IT BELONGS.
THE NORM OF YOU LS1TECH GUYS IF OTHERS DO NOT DRINK THE COOLAID WE ARE HALFASSED YET YOU HAVE GIVEN NO FACTS AT ALL OR PROVED AFTER MAF IS FLAWED.
HOW COME THE TEAM ZR-1 TEST CAR PUT OUT JUST AROUND 600 REARWHEEL HP AND TQ WITH NO KNOCK AND SPRAY WAS AFTER THE MAF ?
YOUR ALSO SAYING THOSE WHO DIRECT PORT N20 INTO THE CYLINDERS ARE HALF ASSED OR YOUR REALLY SAYING IS DO NOT DO THE RIGHT THING BY TUNING THE PCM AND LIE TO IT BY N20 IN A MAF WILL BY MAGIC MAKE PCM DURING WOT PROPERLY ADJUST
WHEN YOU HEAT A N20 TANK TO 150 DEGREES, WHAT IS THE TEMP OF THE LIQUID STATE OF N20 ?
SO LETS SPRAY AS YOU DO IN THE AIR CLEANER, WHERE BEING AIRCLEANER PASSES AIR ALSO REDUCES N2O PRESSURE RATHER THEN IN THE AIRBRIDGE WHERE IT CAN ONLY GO ONE WAY INTO THE INTAKE WERE IT BELONGS.
THE NORM OF YOU LS1TECH GUYS IF OTHERS DO NOT DRINK THE COOLAID WE ARE HALFASSED YET YOU HAVE GIVEN NO FACTS AT ALL OR PROVED AFTER MAF IS FLAWED.
HOW COME THE TEAM ZR-1 TEST CAR PUT OUT JUST AROUND 600 REARWHEEL HP AND TQ WITH NO KNOCK AND SPRAY WAS AFTER THE MAF ?
YOUR ALSO SAYING THOSE WHO DIRECT PORT N20 INTO THE CYLINDERS ARE HALF ASSED OR YOUR REALLY SAYING IS DO NOT DO THE RIGHT THING BY TUNING THE PCM AND LIE TO IT BY N20 IN A MAF WILL BY MAGIC MAKE PCM DURING WOT PROPERLY ADJUST
WHEN YOU HEAT A N20 TANK TO 150 DEGREES, WHAT IS THE TEMP OF THE LIQUID STATE OF N20 ?
how old are you?? Where did anyone say wet kits where incorrect? YOU said dry kits didnt work...that was the only claim made.
600 rwhp with a wet kit with no knock is great. The same can be done with a dry before the maf...and just as reliable.
Spraying anywhere in the air path after the filter...but before the MAF is fine for a dry kit. it represents no problem at all.
When I get home from work I will post a few vids and graphs of dry kits in action. They work like a charm
I am not sure how many people here you have "infected" with your misinformation. But a warning to anyone reading this stuff. Ignore what this man has to say.
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AND WHERE IN THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN MANY MORE HAVE SPRAYED NOT ONLY AFTER THE MAF BUT ALSO DIRECT PORTED AND GUESS WHAT THE ONES BLOWING THE ENGINES UP ARE THOSE SPRAYING THROUGH THE MAF
GET WITH IT, STILL NOT ONE HAS GIVEN ONE POINT AS TO WHAT SRAYING THROUGH MAF GIVES WHEN AGAIN N2O IS USED AT WOT, FOR ONLY A FEW SECONDS AT A TIME AND PCM IS USING PE FUEL TABLES
SO AGAIN EASY TO PROVE !
USE SCANNER TURN NOS ON, THEN SHOW US PCM DATA FOR DELIVERED TORQUE, IF USING 160 SHOT THEN ITS EASY, WITH N20 ON THE TORQUE REPORTED MUST REPORT AT LEAST 100 FT/LBS MORE THEN WHEN N20 IS OFF, SO GO DO AND PROVE OR DISPROVE
LETS SEE ALL YOUR MAF ERROR CODES WHEN AT 100% ENGINE LOAD AND SPRAYING 150 SHOT AND MAF IS REPORTING ANYWHERE NEAR 12,000 HZ, HMM ?
GET WITH IT, STILL NOT ONE HAS GIVEN ONE POINT AS TO WHAT SRAYING THROUGH MAF GIVES WHEN AGAIN N2O IS USED AT WOT, FOR ONLY A FEW SECONDS AT A TIME AND PCM IS USING PE FUEL TABLES
SO AGAIN EASY TO PROVE !
USE SCANNER TURN NOS ON, THEN SHOW US PCM DATA FOR DELIVERED TORQUE, IF USING 160 SHOT THEN ITS EASY, WITH N20 ON THE TORQUE REPORTED MUST REPORT AT LEAST 100 FT/LBS MORE THEN WHEN N20 IS OFF, SO GO DO AND PROVE OR DISPROVE
LETS SEE ALL YOUR MAF ERROR CODES WHEN AT 100% ENGINE LOAD AND SPRAYING 150 SHOT AND MAF IS REPORTING ANYWHERE NEAR 12,000 HZ, HMM ?
Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
MAn...your way off out in left field. I have sprayed a 300 shot ALL DRY right down the MAF. And I have done it in dual stages as well. Tq went from approx 415 rwtq NA to well over 700 rwtq on the dry shot. Af went from 13 to 1 NA to approx 10.5 to 1 on the dry shot.
THOUSANDS of LS1 peaople have been spraying the **** out of MAFs with dry kits since 1998? Where in the hell have you been?
I have personally installed and set up many many nitrous kits. dry kits, wet kits, dual stage dry kits, dual stage wet/dry kits, dry /direct port dual stages... etc etc.
I have maxed out my MAF and others MAFS many times. MAF readings way higher than it would ever be NA alone.
And when you spray dry nitrous down th MAF the mix is more dense than air alone. Thier are still small droplets..or fog..that travels down the MAF. That in tern will create a more dense MASS charge overall. That has to be picked up via the MAF sensor. And once again...why would the n20 have to be split into 02 for the MAF to read it??? It doesnt. This is not an 02 sensor. its a MASS sensor. It does NOT read 02 in anyway shape or form other than the fact that that 02 is a part of the overall mass flowing through that orifice.
And no one ever said peolple using wet kits, direct ports, or plates have thier head up thier butt. Dry kit is just another excellent delivery method the LS1 community has available.
THOUSANDS of LS1 peaople have been spraying the **** out of MAFs with dry kits since 1998? Where in the hell have you been?
I have personally installed and set up many many nitrous kits. dry kits, wet kits, dual stage dry kits, dual stage wet/dry kits, dry /direct port dual stages... etc etc.
I have maxed out my MAF and others MAFS many times. MAF readings way higher than it would ever be NA alone.
And when you spray dry nitrous down th MAF the mix is more dense than air alone. Thier are still small droplets..or fog..that travels down the MAF. That in tern will create a more dense MASS charge overall. That has to be picked up via the MAF sensor. And once again...why would the n20 have to be split into 02 for the MAF to read it??? It doesnt. This is not an 02 sensor. its a MASS sensor. It does NOT read 02 in anyway shape or form other than the fact that that 02 is a part of the overall mass flowing through that orifice.
And no one ever said peolple using wet kits, direct ports, or plates have thier head up thier butt. Dry kit is just another excellent delivery method the LS1 community has available.
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YOUR INJECTOR DUTY CYCLE OF 92 % VIOLATES INJECTOR FLOW DESIGN
That shows soem real ignorance. please...go out to the REAL world and get your own information through EXPERIANCE!!! and stop contaminating the internet
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Originally Posted by CAT3
And Boosted (obviously not juiced by dry) I like how you skipped right over Beers stating dont worry about the gauges as they werent hooked up in reference to your condesceding AFR of 21.... tool!
Now, get off the tuning issue and step the hell up to my Bet man. You think you know the in's about dry and wet etc...come on honcho, bring your car down here so I can hook ya up. Dont wanna a little smartass like me showing you up do ya? Get back on topic please my ignore the facts, twist the details.
Now, get off the tuning issue and step the hell up to my Bet man. You think you know the in's about dry and wet etc...come on honcho, bring your car down here so I can hook ya up. Dont wanna a little smartass like me showing you up do ya? Get back on topic please my ignore the facts, twist the details.
SO WHAT CAN THE AFR KIDDIE GAUGE ALL THE OTHER DATA STILL STANDS AND ANYONE ONE RUNNING N20 WITH INJECTOR DC AT 92% WITH 28 DEGREES OF TIMING IS ASKING FOR A ENGINE FAILURE.
iF YOUR INCREASING TORQUE BY 150 FT/LBS AGAIN I MAKE IT SIMPLE, SHOW US THE SCANNER DATA SHOWING DELIVERED TORQUE PARAMETER INCREASES THAT AMOUNT WHEN N20 IS ON AND DROPS BACK TO NA TORQUE VALUES.
SIMPLE TEST, YOU CAN DO IT.
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Originally Posted by boosted_z06
AND WHERE IN THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN MANY MORE HAVE SPRAYED NOT ONLY AFTER THE MAF BUT ALSO DIRECT PORTED AND GUESS WHAT THE ONES BLOWING THE ENGINES UP ARE THOSE SPRAYING THROUGH THE MAF
GET WITH IT, STILL NOT ONE HAS GIVEN ONE POINT AS TO WHAT SRAYING THROUGH MAF GIVES WHEN AGAIN N2O IS USED AT WOT, FOR ONLY A FEW SECONDS AT A TIME AND PCM IS USING PE FUEL TABLES
SO AGAIN EASY TO PROVE !
USE SCANNER TURN NOS ON, THEN SHOW US PCM DATA FOR DELIVERED TORQUE, IF USING 160 SHOT THEN ITS EASY, WITH N20 ON THE TORQUE REPORTED MUST REPORT AT LEAST 100 FT/LBS MORE THEN WHEN N20 IS OFF, SO GO DO AND PROVE OR DISPROVE
LETS SEE ALL YOUR MAF ERROR CODES WHEN AT 100% ENGINE LOAD AND SPRAYING 150 SHOT AND MAF IS REPORTING ANYWHERE NEAR 12,000 HZ, HMM ?
GET WITH IT, STILL NOT ONE HAS GIVEN ONE POINT AS TO WHAT SRAYING THROUGH MAF GIVES WHEN AGAIN N2O IS USED AT WOT, FOR ONLY A FEW SECONDS AT A TIME AND PCM IS USING PE FUEL TABLES
SO AGAIN EASY TO PROVE !
USE SCANNER TURN NOS ON, THEN SHOW US PCM DATA FOR DELIVERED TORQUE, IF USING 160 SHOT THEN ITS EASY, WITH N20 ON THE TORQUE REPORTED MUST REPORT AT LEAST 100 FT/LBS MORE THEN WHEN N20 IS OFF, SO GO DO AND PROVE OR DISPROVE
LETS SEE ALL YOUR MAF ERROR CODES WHEN AT 100% ENGINE LOAD AND SPRAYING 150 SHOT AND MAF IS REPORTING ANYWHERE NEAR 12,000 HZ, HMM ?
NO ONE SAID WET KITS ARE BAD!!!!
You made the claim dry doesnt work. My last setup was an NX direct port. The setup I did before that was dry frist stage down the maf followed by a direct port second stage. THEY ALL WORK GREAT!
No one in the LS1 world is blowing motors using wet kits at any greater rate than dry fown the MAF. Your info is incorrect.
I have never had or seen...in all my years with LS1..a MAF code brough on due to dry nitrous. Im sure its happend. But VERY infrequently. And then...when the MAF fails...you have a nice little code to tell you so. Works like a charm!!! Everytime!!!
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AND ANYONE ONE RUNNING N20 WITH INJECTOR DC AT 92% WITH 28 DEGREES OF TIMING IS ASKING FOR A ENGINE FAILURE.
what in the WORLD are you talking about!!!!!!
this is rapidly spiraling out of control into a misinformation quagmire.
I dont think I will have the time or energy to reinform you on the working of an ICE and the use of n20.
I will just give a warning to others...please..do not listen. Do your own research...and learn for yourself.
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Originally Posted by boosted_z06
RIGHT THAT IS THE NORMAL KID STUFF, SCREW THE TUNING AND PCM SCANNER DATA AND LETS ALL BLOW N20 THROUGH A MAF WHEN NOT ONE OF YOU SHOWED ANY REASON THAT N20 AFTER THE MAF WAS THE WRONG WAY OF DOING IT.
SO LETS SPRAY AS YOU DO IN THE AIR CLEANER, WHERE BEING AIRCLEANER PASSES AIR ALSO REDUCES N2O PRESSURE RATHER THEN IN THE AIRBRIDGE WHERE IT CAN ONLY GO ONE WAY INTO THE INTAKE WERE IT BELONGS.
THE NORM OF YOU LS1TECH GUYS IF OTHERS DO NOT DRINK THE COOLAID WE ARE HALFASSED YET YOU HAVE GIVEN NO FACTS AT ALL OR PROVED AFTER MAF IS FLAWED.
HOW COME THE TEAM ZR-1 TEST CAR PUT OUT JUST AROUND 600 REARWHEEL HP AND TQ WITH NO KNOCK AND SPRAY WAS AFTER THE MAF ?
YOUR ALSO SAYING THOSE WHO DIRECT PORT N20 INTO THE CYLINDERS ARE HALF ASSED OR YOUR REALLY SAYING IS DO NOT DO THE RIGHT THING BY TUNING THE PCM AND LIE TO IT BY N20 IN A MAF WILL BY MAGIC MAKE PCM DURING WOT PROPERLY ADJUST
WHEN YOU HEAT A N20 TANK TO 150 DEGREES, WHAT IS THE TEMP OF THE LIQUID STATE OF N20 ?
SO LETS SPRAY AS YOU DO IN THE AIR CLEANER, WHERE BEING AIRCLEANER PASSES AIR ALSO REDUCES N2O PRESSURE RATHER THEN IN THE AIRBRIDGE WHERE IT CAN ONLY GO ONE WAY INTO THE INTAKE WERE IT BELONGS.
THE NORM OF YOU LS1TECH GUYS IF OTHERS DO NOT DRINK THE COOLAID WE ARE HALFASSED YET YOU HAVE GIVEN NO FACTS AT ALL OR PROVED AFTER MAF IS FLAWED.
HOW COME THE TEAM ZR-1 TEST CAR PUT OUT JUST AROUND 600 REARWHEEL HP AND TQ WITH NO KNOCK AND SPRAY WAS AFTER THE MAF ?
YOUR ALSO SAYING THOSE WHO DIRECT PORT N20 INTO THE CYLINDERS ARE HALF ASSED OR YOUR REALLY SAYING IS DO NOT DO THE RIGHT THING BY TUNING THE PCM AND LIE TO IT BY N20 IN A MAF WILL BY MAGIC MAKE PCM DURING WOT PROPERLY ADJUST
WHEN YOU HEAT A N20 TANK TO 150 DEGREES, WHAT IS THE TEMP OF THE LIQUID STATE OF N20 ?
Ok jack, first stop taking things out of context. I said stop with the tuning talk and get back to your original misinformed delivery that NOS must be sprayed after the MAF. Thats the F'ing point, but you want to keep sidetracking. Why dont you have the ***** to post this link, http://teamzr1.com/ubb/ultimatebb.ph...c;f=8;t=000063 where you read your so misconstrued ****! Looking at that site I am surprised your even on CF, since they say only dip****s are on here
Your little halfassed english about spraying thru the aircleaner doesnt make sense, but let me try. No I dont spray thru the air filter if thats what you think? I spray after the filter and before the MAF as I am only introducing air and nitrous oxide into the intake tract, hence I am using a DRY KIT. Now in a wet kit, if someone placed it pre-maf yes you would see there is no need to do that and may have issues. But if you think everything Team ZR-1 says is law, fine, go on reading things out of context and pounding your chest.
I have stated all along DRY is PRE MAF, Wet is POST MAF, what more facts do you want? You still havent replied to my bet? You still havent proven anything. Team ZR-1's work on spraying pre & post MAF is barely anything to go on, and they dont state wet or dry.
Now, are you going to come back to the original question, spraying dry and your original ****ed up answer saying not to and suggesting that he spray a dry after the maf, are you going to eat crow or no?
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Al, its time for us that dont yet know about only spraying nitrous post MAF to exit. This tool is one of the few that reads someone elses info (sometimes not in the same language we understand) and tries to use it as his own. When he got caught pants down on the dry kit and pre MAF, he reverted to his source Team ZR-1, and then he went into tuning and all the while maintains a distance from the subject...Dry Nitrous employment. Why, because he has NO personal experience and is probably calling a teammate asking "what should I say now? CAT bet me I'm wrong and will buy me a new Vette if I am right about dry being post maf, but if I am wrong he wants me to post up I was wrong" Answer from teammate: Ignore it and talk about injector duty cycle....
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SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS N20 WHICH IS SUPER COLD AND IS PSRAYED IN A AIRCLEANER THAT SOME MAGIC NONE OF IT GOES OUTWARDS OF THE CLEANER AND WHAT REMAINS BEING ITS A LIQUID FLOATS TNROUGH AIRCLEANER AND BEING ITS COLDER RAISES ABOVE THE HOTTER AIR AND MAF SENSORS SEE THAT ?
YOU ALL STILL DO NOT GET IT, I STATED AT THE BEGINNING THAT TUNING THE PCM FOR N20 IS THE SAFEST PATH AND YOUR LIEING TO THE PCM AS TO WHAT THE AIR MASS IS WHEN N2O IS PASSING THROUGH MAF ONLY HAS 1 PART OXYGEN IN IT, YET ITS NOT OXYGEN YET, BUT DENSITY IS MEASURED BY THE MAF AND NOT THE MAP SENSOR ?
IF PCM IS TUNED FOR N20, GUESS WHAT YOU NOW DO NOT NEED TO LIE TO PCM BY USING A MAF FLOW AND YOU GET 100% N20 PRESSURE AND N20 INTO THE INTAKE WHEN NOZZLE IS RIGHT BEFORE THE TB
YOUR WAY, DEMANDS NOZZLE BE IN AIRCLEANER, MY WAY ITS NOT A MUST AND IN FACT NOT REQUIRED TO BE BLOWING INTO A AIRCLEANER.
I SEE ONE NOS VENDOR STATES IF SPRAYING INTO MAF TO POINT NOZZLE TO SHOOT SIDEWAYS BUT WE ARE NOT BANK SHOTS IN POOL AND WHY ARE THEY NOT WANTING SPRAY DIRECTLY INTO SENSORS OF MAF ?
YOU ALL STILL DO NOT GET IT, I STATED AT THE BEGINNING THAT TUNING THE PCM FOR N20 IS THE SAFEST PATH AND YOUR LIEING TO THE PCM AS TO WHAT THE AIR MASS IS WHEN N2O IS PASSING THROUGH MAF ONLY HAS 1 PART OXYGEN IN IT, YET ITS NOT OXYGEN YET, BUT DENSITY IS MEASURED BY THE MAF AND NOT THE MAP SENSOR ?
IF PCM IS TUNED FOR N20, GUESS WHAT YOU NOW DO NOT NEED TO LIE TO PCM BY USING A MAF FLOW AND YOU GET 100% N20 PRESSURE AND N20 INTO THE INTAKE WHEN NOZZLE IS RIGHT BEFORE THE TB
YOUR WAY, DEMANDS NOZZLE BE IN AIRCLEANER, MY WAY ITS NOT A MUST AND IN FACT NOT REQUIRED TO BE BLOWING INTO A AIRCLEANER.
I SEE ONE NOS VENDOR STATES IF SPRAYING INTO MAF TO POINT NOZZLE TO SHOOT SIDEWAYS BUT WE ARE NOT BANK SHOTS IN POOL AND WHY ARE THEY NOT WANTING SPRAY DIRECTLY INTO SENSORS OF MAF ?
Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
MAn...your way off out in left field. I have sprayed a 300 shot ALL DRY right down the MAF. And I have done it in dual stages as well. Tq went from approx 415 rwtq NA to well over 700 rwtq on the dry shot. Af went from 13 to 1 NA to approx 10.5 to 1 on the dry shot.
THOUSANDS of LS1 peaople have been spraying the **** out of MAFs with dry kits since 1998? Where in the hell have you been?
I have personally installed and set up many many nitrous kits. dry kits, wet kits, dual stage dry kits, dual stage wet/dry kits, dry /direct port dual stages... etc etc.
I have maxed out my MAF and others MAFS many times. MAF readings way higher than it would ever be NA alone.
And when you spray dry nitrous down th MAF the mix is more dense than air alone. Thier are still small droplets..or fog..that travels down the MAF. That in tern will create a more dense MASS charge overall. That has to be picked up via the MAF sensor. And once again...why would the n20 have to be split into 02 for the MAF to read it??? It doesnt. This is not an 02 sensor. its a MASS sensor. It does NOT read 02 in anyway shape or form other than the fact that that 02 is a part of the overall mass flowing through that orifice.
And no one ever said peolple using wet kits, direct ports, or plates have thier head up thier butt. Dry kit is just another excellent delivery method the LS1 community has available.
THOUSANDS of LS1 peaople have been spraying the **** out of MAFs with dry kits since 1998? Where in the hell have you been?
I have personally installed and set up many many nitrous kits. dry kits, wet kits, dual stage dry kits, dual stage wet/dry kits, dry /direct port dual stages... etc etc.
I have maxed out my MAF and others MAFS many times. MAF readings way higher than it would ever be NA alone.
And when you spray dry nitrous down th MAF the mix is more dense than air alone. Thier are still small droplets..or fog..that travels down the MAF. That in tern will create a more dense MASS charge overall. That has to be picked up via the MAF sensor. And once again...why would the n20 have to be split into 02 for the MAF to read it??? It doesnt. This is not an 02 sensor. its a MASS sensor. It does NOT read 02 in anyway shape or form other than the fact that that 02 is a part of the overall mass flowing through that orifice.
And no one ever said peolple using wet kits, direct ports, or plates have thier head up thier butt. Dry kit is just another excellent delivery method the LS1 community has available.
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Originally Posted by boosted_z06
RIGHT THAT IS THE NORMAL KID STUFF, SCREW THE TUNING AND PCM SCANNER DATA AND LETS ALL BLOW N20 THROUGH A MAF WHEN NOT ONE OF YOU SHOWED ANY REASON THAT N20 AFTER THE MAF WAS THE WRONG WAY OF DOING IT.
You are not wanting to learn or realize the facts. To answer the above, I'll start with a question, on a dry hit, if you spray after the MAF, How are you going to get the fuel needed for the extra oxygen once in the combustion chamber? I will answer for you, you won't, plain and simple. Next, because you have gone to the extreme lean with a/f, your motor will soon go bye-bye. So, it is the WRONG way to do it.
SO LETS SPRAY AS YOU DO IN THE AIR CLEANER, WHERE BEING AIRCLEANER PASSES AIR ALSO REDUCES N2O PRESSURE RATHER THEN IN THE AIRBRIDGE WHERE IT CAN ONLY GO ONE WAY INTO THE INTAKE WERE IT BELONGS.
Nonsense speculation, it just dosen't happen that way on a normal hit. Besides that, on a dry hit the normal nozzles 90*/45* spray towards the MAF for a good reading and coming out at 1050psi it's not going to go into reversion with the throttle at wot.
THE NORM OF YOU LS1TECH GUYS IF OTHERS DO NOT DRINK THE COOLAID WE ARE HALFASSED YET YOU HAVE GIVEN NO FACTS AT ALL OR PROVED AFTER MAF IS FLAWED.
No I wouldn't say all are halfassed, just a select few, that may or may not have a neandrathal thick skull cap.
HOW COME THE TEAM ZR-1 TEST CAR PUT OUT JUST AROUND 600 REARWHEEL HP AND TQ WITH NO KNOCK AND SPRAY WAS AFTER THE MAF ?
Probably because it was a wet kit, our point excactly, that's the difference between a dry and a wet hit, one before the MAF and one after the MAF. Or like Beer posted a dual stage with a dry 1st stg and a wet 2nd stage.
YOUR ALSO SAYING THOSE WHO DIRECT PORT N20 INTO THE CYLINDERS ARE HALF ASSED OR YOUR REALLY SAYING IS DO NOT DO THE RIGHT THING BY TUNING THE PCM AND LIE TO IT BY N20 IN A MAF WILL BY MAGIC MAKE PCM DURING WOT PROPERLY ADJUST
You need help for sure. This thread is about dry kits, and DP kits are fine for a wet type kit and going big with your hits.
WHEN YOU HEAT A N20 TANK TO 150 DEGREES, WHAT IS THE TEMP OF THE LIQUID STATE OF N20 ?
You are not wanting to learn or realize the facts. To answer the above, I'll start with a question, on a dry hit, if you spray after the MAF, How are you going to get the fuel needed for the extra oxygen once in the combustion chamber? I will answer for you, you won't, plain and simple. Next, because you have gone to the extreme lean with a/f, your motor will soon go bye-bye. So, it is the WRONG way to do it.
SO LETS SPRAY AS YOU DO IN THE AIR CLEANER, WHERE BEING AIRCLEANER PASSES AIR ALSO REDUCES N2O PRESSURE RATHER THEN IN THE AIRBRIDGE WHERE IT CAN ONLY GO ONE WAY INTO THE INTAKE WERE IT BELONGS.
Nonsense speculation, it just dosen't happen that way on a normal hit. Besides that, on a dry hit the normal nozzles 90*/45* spray towards the MAF for a good reading and coming out at 1050psi it's not going to go into reversion with the throttle at wot.
THE NORM OF YOU LS1TECH GUYS IF OTHERS DO NOT DRINK THE COOLAID WE ARE HALFASSED YET YOU HAVE GIVEN NO FACTS AT ALL OR PROVED AFTER MAF IS FLAWED.
No I wouldn't say all are halfassed, just a select few, that may or may not have a neandrathal thick skull cap.
HOW COME THE TEAM ZR-1 TEST CAR PUT OUT JUST AROUND 600 REARWHEEL HP AND TQ WITH NO KNOCK AND SPRAY WAS AFTER THE MAF ?
Probably because it was a wet kit, our point excactly, that's the difference between a dry and a wet hit, one before the MAF and one after the MAF. Or like Beer posted a dual stage with a dry 1st stg and a wet 2nd stage.
YOUR ALSO SAYING THOSE WHO DIRECT PORT N20 INTO THE CYLINDERS ARE HALF ASSED OR YOUR REALLY SAYING IS DO NOT DO THE RIGHT THING BY TUNING THE PCM AND LIE TO IT BY N20 IN A MAF WILL BY MAGIC MAKE PCM DURING WOT PROPERLY ADJUST
You need help for sure. This thread is about dry kits, and DP kits are fine for a wet type kit and going big with your hits.
WHEN YOU HEAT A N20 TANK TO 150 DEGREES, WHAT IS THE TEMP OF THE LIQUID STATE OF N20 ?
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Originally Posted by boosted_z06
SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS N20 WHICH IS SUPER COLD AND IS PSRAYED IN A AIRCLEANER THAT SOME MAGIC NONE OF IT GOES OUTWARDS OF THE CLEANER AND WHAT REMAINS BEING ITS A LIQUID FLOATS TNROUGH AIRCLEANER AND BEING ITS COLDER RAISES ABOVE THE HOTTER AIR AND MAF SENSORS SEE THAT ?
YOU ALL STILL DO NOT GET IT, I STATED AT THE BEGINNING THAT TUNING THE PCM FOR N20 IS THE SAFEST PATH AND YOUR LIEING TO THE PCM AS TO WHAT THE AIR MASS IS WHEN N2O IS PASSING THROUGH MAF ONLY HAS 1 PART OXYGEN IN IT, YET ITS NOT OXYGEN YET, BUT DENSITY IS MEASURED BY THE MAF AND NOT THE MAP SENSOR ?
IF PCM IS TUNED FOR N20, GUESS WHAT YOU NOW DO NOT NEED TO LIE TO PCM BY USING A MAF FLOW AND YOU GET 100% N20 PRESSURE AND N20 INTO THE INTAKE WHEN NOZZLE IS RIGHT BEFORE THE TB
YOUR WAY, DEMANDS NOZZLE BE IN AIRCLEANER, MY WAY ITS NOT A MUST AND IN FACT NOT REQUIRED TO BE BLOWING INTO A AIRCLEANER.
I SEE ONE NOS VENDOR STATES IF SPRAYING INTO MAF TO POINT NOZZLE TO SHOOT SIDEWAYS BUT WE ARE NOT BANK SHOTS IN POOL AND WHY ARE THEY NOT WANTING SPRAY DIRECTLY INTO SENSORS OF MAF ?
YOU ALL STILL DO NOT GET IT, I STATED AT THE BEGINNING THAT TUNING THE PCM FOR N20 IS THE SAFEST PATH AND YOUR LIEING TO THE PCM AS TO WHAT THE AIR MASS IS WHEN N2O IS PASSING THROUGH MAF ONLY HAS 1 PART OXYGEN IN IT, YET ITS NOT OXYGEN YET, BUT DENSITY IS MEASURED BY THE MAF AND NOT THE MAP SENSOR ?
IF PCM IS TUNED FOR N20, GUESS WHAT YOU NOW DO NOT NEED TO LIE TO PCM BY USING A MAF FLOW AND YOU GET 100% N20 PRESSURE AND N20 INTO THE INTAKE WHEN NOZZLE IS RIGHT BEFORE THE TB
YOUR WAY, DEMANDS NOZZLE BE IN AIRCLEANER, MY WAY ITS NOT A MUST AND IN FACT NOT REQUIRED TO BE BLOWING INTO A AIRCLEANER.
I SEE ONE NOS VENDOR STATES IF SPRAYING INTO MAF TO POINT NOZZLE TO SHOOT SIDEWAYS BUT WE ARE NOT BANK SHOTS IN POOL AND WHY ARE THEY NOT WANTING SPRAY DIRECTLY INTO SENSORS OF MAF ?
There is no way to reteach you from the ground up...sorry
O is this a joke? Is that it? Someone playing a joke??
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Originally Posted by boosted_z06
SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS N20 WHICH IS SUPER COLD AND IS PSRAYED IN A AIRCLEANER THAT SOME MAGIC NONE OF IT GOES OUTWARDS OF THE CLEANER AND WHAT REMAINS BEING ITS A LIQUID FLOATS TNROUGH AIRCLEANER AND BEING ITS COLDER RAISES ABOVE THE HOTTER AIR AND MAF SENSORS SEE THAT ?
YOU ALL STILL DO NOT GET IT, I STATED AT THE BEGINNING THAT TUNING THE PCM FOR N20 IS THE SAFEST PATH AND YOUR LIEING TO THE PCM AS TO WHAT THE AIR MASS IS WHEN N2O IS PASSING THROUGH MAF ONLY HAS 1 PART OXYGEN IN IT, YET ITS NOT OXYGEN YET, BUT DENSITY IS MEASURED BY THE MAF AND NOT THE MAP SENSOR ?
IF PCM IS TUNED FOR N20, GUESS WHAT YOU NOW DO NOT NEED TO LIE TO PCM BY USING A MAF FLOW AND YOU GET 100% N20 PRESSURE AND N20 INTO THE INTAKE WHEN NOZZLE IS RIGHT BEFORE THE TB
YOUR WAY, DEMANDS NOZZLE BE IN AIRCLEANER, MY WAY ITS NOT A MUST AND IN FACT NOT REQUIRED TO BE BLOWING INTO A AIRCLEANER.
I SEE ONE NOS VENDOR STATES IF SPRAYING INTO MAF TO POINT NOZZLE TO SHOOT SIDEWAYS BUT WE ARE NOT BANK SHOTS IN POOL AND WHY ARE THEY NOT WANTING SPRAY DIRECTLY INTO SENSORS OF MAF ?
YOU ALL STILL DO NOT GET IT, I STATED AT THE BEGINNING THAT TUNING THE PCM FOR N20 IS THE SAFEST PATH AND YOUR LIEING TO THE PCM AS TO WHAT THE AIR MASS IS WHEN N2O IS PASSING THROUGH MAF ONLY HAS 1 PART OXYGEN IN IT, YET ITS NOT OXYGEN YET, BUT DENSITY IS MEASURED BY THE MAF AND NOT THE MAP SENSOR ?
IF PCM IS TUNED FOR N20, GUESS WHAT YOU NOW DO NOT NEED TO LIE TO PCM BY USING A MAF FLOW AND YOU GET 100% N20 PRESSURE AND N20 INTO THE INTAKE WHEN NOZZLE IS RIGHT BEFORE THE TB
YOUR WAY, DEMANDS NOZZLE BE IN AIRCLEANER, MY WAY ITS NOT A MUST AND IN FACT NOT REQUIRED TO BE BLOWING INTO A AIRCLEANER.
I SEE ONE NOS VENDOR STATES IF SPRAYING INTO MAF TO POINT NOZZLE TO SHOOT SIDEWAYS BUT WE ARE NOT BANK SHOTS IN POOL AND WHY ARE THEY NOT WANTING SPRAY DIRECTLY INTO SENSORS OF MAF ?
Robert
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Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
okay..okay...you win. You have now gone beyond my capabilities to have a rational conversation. Congrats...you are one of very few who have worn my patience to the point I no longer would like to empart what I may have learned. And I am about as patient as they come. Your above paragraph would take months to unscrew. Im sorry to tell you this....but your information is hacked together in a most unlogical and unorganized and blatently INCORRECT way that I fear youll never recover...lol.
There is no way to reteach you from the ground up...sorry
O is this a joke? Is that it? Someone playing a joke??
There is no way to reteach you from the ground up...sorry
O is this a joke? Is that it? Someone playing a joke??
Only in America does one flag fly next to the other, 
.Robert
Oh, hear is some additional information for those reading along.
When you are spraying a dry hit before the Maf you get colder and therefore denser, more oxygen rich air than what the MAF is calibrated for. It interprets this as more air than expected when really there is not. In turn the PCM tells the injectors to stay open for a longer period of time by lenghtening the Injector Pulse Width in order to inject more fuel into the combustion chamber. A very simple method that works quite well for the dry hits.
What is Closed Loop? closed loop operation means the front O2 sensors are used to help determine the afr and offer feed back to the PCM as to the current afr. the PCM then adjusts the injector pulse rate to maintain a 14.7:1 afr. So it's justa closed feed back loop for all part throttle operations.
What is Open Loop? Well instead of using the O2 sensors, the PCM uses a lookup table, that, to put it simply, is just a table that say's at this rpm use X amount of fuel. This is called the PE vs RPM table or power enrichment vs rpm. This is how the wot dry shot will get it's ultimate a/f. Remember, the O2's are out of the picture when going wot.