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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 11:03 AM
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I am waiting for my 08 C6 to arrive it will be here in two or three weeks, once broken in I will be putting a ECS kit in it along with full exhaust, ( stoked ). Anyway my question is part of the kit is to pin the crank, would someone please explain what this involves and what is the purpose. Thanks.
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The LSx motors do not have a keyway on the crank. The crank pulley is just pressed on more or less. When lots of horsepower is applied the crank pulley has a tendancy to spin independent of the crank and it mauls up the crank snout something awful when it does.

You have to remove the rack and pinion to get at the crank pulley. They give you a jig for the drill which drills a hole in the seam between the pulley and crank snout and you tap a pin in there to make it harder for the pulley to spin off the crank.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 01:38 PM
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thanks , You explained that well.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 02:43 PM
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It's a little intimidating until you get into the install. The most difficult part for me was getting the ?!#@$%&@* crank bolt loose. That sucker was in there!! But, once you have room to work by removing and/or moving some components out of the way, it's a ten minute job. Taking a drill to the crankshaft of your brand new car will be the hardest part.
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don't have to remove the rack just unbolt it and lift it up to gain access
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what happens when you drill the crank and say down the road you decide to put the motor back to stock, if you damage the motor (in its stock form) and take it to the dealership for warranty work could they void your warranty if they see that you crank has been drilled even tho the car is completely stock at its present time
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Originally Posted by deviant1
what happens when you drill the crank and say down the road you decide to put the motor back to stock, if you damage the motor (in its stock form) and take it to the dealership for warranty work could they void your warranty if they see that you crank has been drilled even tho the car is completely stock at its present time
A dealer can't just void your warranty. If you take your car in for warranty work, they have to prove what you did to the car caused the problem in question.

And a keyed crank shaft isn't going to cause any damage to your car, if anything it's going to prevent damage. Just like you sending your rockers to Harland Sharp to get worked over. It only makes them better.
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LPFSTheFett
A dealer can't just void your warranty. If you take your car in for warranty work, they have to prove what you did to the car caused the problem in question.

And a keyed crank shaft isn't going to cause any damage to your car, if anything it's going to prevent damage. Just like you sending your rockers to Harland Sharp to get worked over. It only makes them better.
i had the crank welded where it was pinned i just didnt want the factory to kick back the crank and deny the warranty claim and the tech get in trouble, he was helping me out, he knew there was a super charger on there previously and pushed it thru under warranty any ways
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i had the crank welded where it was pinned i just didnt want the factory to kick back the crank and deny the warranty claim and the tech get in trouble, he was helping me out, he knew there was a super charger on there previously and pushed it thru under warranty any ways
I haven't heard of anyone else welding this instead of pinning it. I guess other than the issue of 'what if you need to pull it apart later' is it safe to assume the weld is as secure as pinning?

I've already borrowed a pinning kit, and will be pinning it this weekend, but curious to know still.
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Originally Posted by excessive81
don't have to remove the rack just unbolt it and lift it up to gain access
if you loosen the bolt it needs to be replaced.
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Originally Posted by 5 Liter Eater
The LSx motors do not have a keyway on the crank. The crank pulley is just pressed on more or less. When lots of horsepower is applied the crank pulley has a tendancy to spin independent of the crank and it mauls up the crank snout something awful when it does.

You have to remove the rack and pinion to get at the crank pulley. They give you a jig for the drill which drills a hole in the seam between the pulley and crank snout and you tap a pin in there to make it harder for the pulley to spin off the crank.


Well said Bill.
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there is s tool thst you bolt in in place of the starter that makes getting bolt lose ALOT easier...a must for auto
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Originally Posted by excessive81
there is s tool thst you bolt in in place of the starter that makes getting bolt lose ALOT easier...a must for auto
The tool you need is a Kent Moore flywheel holding tool J-42386-A, to me it was a must have for pinning the crank for my Maggie install. Some have used a big screw driver for holding the flywheel while removing the crank bolt, but even with the tool it took a 3' cheater on the end of my breaker bar to get the crank bolt loose. The tool can be found on Ebay Motors under GM tools. Good luck with your install.
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that is the one...lol. i did it b4 on stick cars with out it but man it alot easier with the right stuff lol. i got complete kent moore tool kit for 200.00 off ebay...look around cause they expensive tools if you buy one at a time. i think the flywheel tool is 150.00 or more
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I've looked for a while, and couldn't find it so I thought it's time to ask...

I'm about to raise my front up in the garage and pin my crank. I've got a long rod of 1/4" rolled iron that I'll cut and grind to length.

1) How long does the pin need to be exactly??

2) Does anyone know of a good walkthrough, or set of instructions on what to unbolt/move/tie up etc. On my 98 A4 I've got the steering thing, and a lot of metal tubing criss crossing back and forth in front of the crank bolt. I guess I can figure out how to lift it all up and get at the bolt. But I'd love to see a dummy proof walkthrough first.

Thanks
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buy a pinning kit.. its fool proof
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Originally Posted by excessive81
don't have to remove the rack just unbolt it and lift it up to gain access

How well does this work? Might try this, but don't you still have to remove the fluid and remove some of the fluid lines going to the rack?
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Originally Posted by Vette-Dream
I've looked for a while, and couldn't find it so I thought it's time to ask...

I'm about to raise my front up in the garage and pin my crank. I've got a long rod of 1/4" rolled iron that I'll cut and grind to length.

1) How long does the pin need to be exactly??

2) Does anyone know of a good walkthrough, or set of instructions on what to unbolt/move/tie up etc. On my 98 A4 I've got the steering thing, and a lot of metal tubing criss crossing back and forth in front of the crank bolt. I guess I can figure out how to lift it all up and get at the bolt. But I'd love to see a dummy proof walkthrough first.

Thanks
Don go to www.callawaycars.com click on support, than on installation instructions, find the instructions for the Maggie install. They will cover pinning the crank. You can also purchase a crank pinning kit from Callaway which will consist of a new crank bolt, two pins, one drill bit, one reamer, one bolt, "to attach the drilling guide," and one drilling guide.
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