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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 09:59 PM
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Hey fellas ,

I was checking out a Vette today that that had an A&A kit on it and I noticed the intercooler is MUCH smaller on the kit than the one that comes with the Procharger kit . This , in my mind , is a good thing as I always have heat issues in the summer , due to the lack of airflow.

Im floating the idea of swapping intercoolers to the A&A one ( assuming its do-able ) or possibly ECS. Can some A&A owners step in and give me some feedback as heat with their kits .

What do you think ?

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nice post wanna hear some more too as I am thinking about either an ECS or A&A kit for sure soon.
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Don't know about the A&A kit, however even the standard Vortech kit comes with a much smaller intercooler than th procharger kit, on direct comparison with both systems, on the same dyno in the same temperature:

Procharged vehicle produced MORE power at less boost given cooler/denser IAT, however boils the coolant from 98-103 degrees Celcius under normal VERY LITTLE spirited driving in 20 degree celcius ambient temperature.

Vortech vehicle required a little more boost to produce the same power, however car remained at 89-93 degree celcius under normal driving and even went down after some WOT.

The procharged vehicle was not driven in summer YET, however the vortech vehicle that seems to work perfectly in winter was heating in summer, NOT overheating. I am trying to say that if the Vortech vehicle heated in summer, yet was more than perfect in winter, then how will the procharged vehicle respond to heat in summer if its barely keeping up with coolant heat issues in winter.......
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ayousef
Don't know about the A&A kit, however even the standard Vortech kit comes with a much smaller intercooler than th procharger kit, on direct comparison with both systems, on the same dyno in the same temperature:

Procharged vehicle produced MORE power at less boost given cooler/denser IAT, however boils the coolant from 98-103 degrees Celcius under normal VERY LITTLE spirited driving in 20 degree celcius ambient temperature.

Vortech vehicle required a little more boost to produce the same power, however car remained at 89-93 degree celcius under normal driving and even went down after some WOT.

The procharged vehicle was not driven in summer YET, however the vortech vehicle that seems to work perfectly in winter was heating in summer, NOT overheating. I am trying to say that if the Vortech vehicle heated in summer, yet was more than perfect in winter, then how will the procharged vehicle respond to heat in summer if its barely keeping up with coolant heat issues in winter.......
oh thanks for the input bud you know i will be getting these same issues when i ship my vette back home

ya looks like i am probably going with andy's kit
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Originally Posted by ayousef
Don't know about the A&A kit, however even the standard Vortech kit comes with a much smaller intercooler than th procharger kit, on direct comparison with both systems, on the same dyno in the same temperature:

Procharged vehicle produced MORE power at less boost given cooler/denser IAT, however boils the coolant from 98-103 degrees Celcius under normal VERY LITTLE spirited driving in 20 degree celcius ambient temperature.

Vortech vehicle required a little more boost to produce the same power, however car remained at 89-93 degree celcius under normal driving and even went down after some WOT.

The procharged vehicle was not driven in summer YET, however the vortech vehicle that seems to work perfectly in winter was heating in summer, NOT overheating. I am trying to say that if the Vortech vehicle heated in summer, yet was more than perfect in winter, then how will the procharged vehicle respond to heat in summer if its barely keeping up with coolant heat issues in winter.......
I hear you , and I know what you mean . Obviously the temps here are not as extreme where you are , but yes , with very little effort I can make my car run VERY hot when the weather is warm . I have to say that this winter has been great , car ran cool the entire time , but when the temperature starts going over 75 Degrees Farenheit it doesnt take much to overheat the car . Yes , I've done all the "bollas" mods , plus a few of my own , but it still only helped to a point .

It sounds based on what youre saying that the Vortech intercooler does the job , I just hope its compatible with the ATI kit .

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How much space do have in between intercooler and condenser? A&A has over time pushed IC further forward with incremental improvements.


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How much space do have in between intercooler and condenser? A&A has over time pushed IC further forward with incremental improvements.


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I have mine angled as far as as I can without fabricating some kind of bracket extention . What I noticed most about the A&A cooler was the smaller size , leaving about half of the radiator exposed to direct airflow . Thats what I'm looking for
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Originally Posted by ALLBOTTLE&NOTHROTTLE
I have mine angled as far as as I can without fabricating some kind of bracket extention . What I noticed most about the A&A cooler was the smaller size , leaving about half of the radiator exposed to direct airflow . Thats what I'm looking for
It looks like C6 intercooler offered by both A&A and ECS have smaller frontal area, but believe this was done mostly for supercharger inlet filter (at least ECS kit).

If you do use smaller IC I'd expect your air flow to improve a bit, hopefully alleviating heating issues. That being said, I don't know if you upgraded radiator yet, but wouldn't that be a better bang for the buck?


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Originally Posted by Skunkworks
It looks like C6 intercooler offered by both A&A and ECS have smaller frontal area, but believe this was done mostly for supercharger inlet filter (at least ECS kit).

If you do use smaller IC I'd expect your air flow to improve a bit, hopefully alleviating heating issues. That being said, I don't know if you upgraded radiator yet, but wouldn't that be a better bang for the buck?


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Possibly ,I was considering that but the way I look at it , if I put a larger radiator in an already very cramped space , I will have even less airflow - Is that an incorrect assumption ?

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You could call Andy. He is very helpful.
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Josh, I cant speak for Andy's kit, but we made the frontal area of our intercooler smaller for the C6, while increasing its width. It is very close to our C5 kit as far as flow is concerned because of the way the C6 is shaped it offered better cooling which is why you never hear about overheating issue's with an ECS kit.
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Originally Posted by DOUG @ ECS
Josh, I cant speak for Andy's kit, but we made the frontal area of our intercooler smaller for the C6, while increasing its width. It is very close to our C5 kit as far as flow is concerned because of the way the C6 is shaped it offered better cooling which is why you never hear about overheating issue's with an ECS kit.
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Originally Posted by ALLBOTTLE&NOTHROTTLE
Possibly ,I was considering that but the way I look at it , if I put a larger radiator in an already very cramped space , I will have even less airflow - Is that an incorrect assumption ?

Thanks
Yes you are correct. On my Dewitts radiator I welded 1/4" thick tabs behind the AC condensor coil hangers to create more air gap as the thicker radiator core made the "heat exchanger sandwich" even tighter. Air gap is your friend
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