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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 02:23 AM
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So, I know I won't be able to afford it for awhile... But, I am entertaining the idea of getting FI within the next year. From what I have looked at, I think I will be doing the ATI procharger.

I have been reading on this section for awhile; Just had a few quick questions.

First off, what all/if anything, needs to be changed when adding some boost. Obviously, I will be changing the stock headers, but thats about it. IS there anything else that would need changing? Or that I would look into changing?

I really know nothing about boost, I have been a H/C guy myself. I am still trying to decide between H/C or Boost for the vette! I had a 99 SS H/C. But, I am thinking of stepping up to FI. I want to make close to 500rwhp. But, I don't want to be making too much power that is going to require me to change out a bunch of other stuff.

How will the stock tranny/rearend/etc be with boost? Also, what boost is the right amount. I was thinking about 6 or so?

This is a daily driver car. Will be driven like it is supposed to, but for the most part driven conservatively until I really want to get on it! Or when I go to the track.

As someone who does not know much about boost, I am just really looking for some ideas/opinions/suggestions to get me started... and help me learn all their is about boost before I just go ahead and do it.
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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 02:59 AM
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I almost ordered a procharger but while doing research on them I discovered this forum. Too many people with prochargers were recomending the ecs paxton which should be arriving at my door sometime this week. It seems to be a more complete kit.
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My Ati D1 kit was complete enough for me. Getting my tune put on 5.5hrs lol.

If memory serves me correct, which im sure at this time of night/morning, for a H/C setup to push 500+ whp, it wouldnt still feel like a stock car. With FI setup you can retain that stock feel, and when the time calls to dish out an **** whoopin just put the pedal to the floor.

Ask around like most who ponder the FI field, ask around for any locals with close enough setups for a ride, get the feel of each system. I chose my procharger cause my exhaust/cam took away the sleeper feel so i wanted the whine, and didnt want a maggie. Vortech and paxton didnt have much of a whine so. may sound ricer to others, but the whine keeps would be losers from toying with me.
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www.eastcoastsupercharging.com
Give Chris or Doug a call and ask away!!!
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Thanks guys.

Hey, Mr. Big, I noticed you are running at 9 lbs of boost on your ATI, what is your rwhp?

I really am looking for a nice sounding boost system! I want to be able to hear/have people be able to hear it. Maybe the ATI is the best system for me...

I have not heard anything about the ecs paxton is there a link to that?

As far as boost goes, is there anything else that should be changed out when bolting on a kit?

How much can the stock clutch handle? Rear end?

I just don't want to have too much power that it messes up other things. I was thinking 500-520 should be enough.

Would I be able to hit 500rwhp with 6lbs of boost and some bolt ons. What else would be a good bolt on with boost kits? Should I look at a FAST intake as well?
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Thanks guys.

Hey, Mr. Big, I noticed you are running at 9 lbs of boost on your ATI, what is your rwhp?

I really am looking for a nice sounding boost system! I want to be able to hear/have people be able to hear it. Maybe the ATI is the best system for me...

I have not heard anything about the ecs paxton is there a link to that?

As far as boost goes, is there anything else that should be changed out when bolting on a kit?
S/C only (no N2O) 713rwhp 645rwtq

ECS has the BEST kit on the market imho, and I have an ATI kit on my car... If their system was out in '05 I would have gone that route hands down... here's the link www.eastcoastsupercharging.com

When going with F.I. an alky kit is a must... ECS also sells those (ALKYcontrol)
keep us posted on what you do...
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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 06:53 PM
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You won't be disappointed with ATI.
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You don't even need headers if you don't want them. Any of the base level superchargers for the C6 will get you close to 500rwhp without any additional mods.

If you want a REALLY great deal, I would call Andy at A&A Corvette. ATI's bracket design actually came from Andy. He's been in the business for a long time and has a great rep.

Andy's currently selling the Vortech SQ S-trim kit for ~ $5200-5400 I think. It's the best price you'll find anywhere, and if you visit the C5 FI section you can find a lot of folks that swear by his kits.

If you want to actually HEAR the supercharger, you may want to look at something a little different. The Magnuson is a positive displacement blower that has that distinctive supercharger whine. It's closer to $6000 for the blower, plus you would need to buy a new hood to fit it. The power kicks in a lot faster on these, and they'll also get you close to 500rwhp. For a lookie, check here:
http://www.eastcoastsupercharging.co...%20Maggie.html

As for as noisy blowers that do not need a hood change, I'm not really sure. If andy has some V-1's left, those would certainly get you a little whine... Maybe some others can chime in on that. Another option for a lot of sound is the STS twin turbo kit.

At the end of the day, they are all really good products!! Stick to the forum vendors, and you'll no doubt be quite satisfied.
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Do it, do it!

I am so long overdue to post a full report on my recent install of my ESC SC600 on my 06Z06 (620ish rwhp, 640ish rwtq) (its coming - work has been crazy and the other time is spent with other fun activities, including among them driving the beast).

Needless to say, the difference with FI is night and day with the added benefit of driveability. I can't speak to any other vendor, so I won't. I am more than happy to field your questions via pm, email or a call. Just let me know.

Best of luck and like is said, do it, do it.
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Originally Posted by Bad06vette
First off, what all/if anything, needs to be changed when adding some boost. Obviously, I will be changing the stock headers, but thats about it. IS there anything else that would need changing? Or that I would look into changing?

I really know nothing about boost, I have been a H/C guy myself. I am still trying to decide between H/C or Boost for the vette! I had a 99 SS H/C. But, I am thinking of stepping up to FI. I want to make close to 500rwhp. But, I don't want to be making too much power that is going to require me to change out a bunch of other stuff.

How will the stock tranny/rearend/etc be with boost? Also, what boost is the right amount. I was thinking about 6 or so?

This is a daily driver car. Will be driven like it is supposed to, but for the most part driven conservatively until I really want to get on it! Or when I go to the track.

As someone who does not know much about boost, I am just really looking for some ideas/opinions/suggestions to get me started... and help me learn all their is about boost before I just go ahead and do it.
If (as you said) you want to maintain stock daily drive-ability, you should go with a centrifugal SC. You won't even know it's there until you punch it...and then...wow. They make "quiet" ones, as well as ones that whine/whistle depending on your preference. Personally, I like the noisy ones. I want those pesky Mustangs to know not to mess with me. If you keep the boost low (5-6 psi) your trans and rear-end will be fine. If you repeatedly drop the clutch from a standstill, you will glaze/ruin your clutch and need to replace it. Depending on how hard you drive it, you will need stickier tires (Nitto Invo's would be a good way to go). At the standard boost level, you could just bolt it on with no further modifications and drive it for years. Great endorsement following:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...&postcount=671

The following thread is a must read for anyone considering a SC. It has over two years of posts discussing everything you can imagine regarding FI (forced induction). It is sponsored by Andy Green (the owner of A&A Corvette) who is one of the foremost authorities on FI for Corvettes. It will take a while to read (I read the entire thing) but when you are done, you will know heaps about FI and will be in a position to make an informed decision. Also, the A&A Vortec kit is one of the best designed in the world. (and you'll never meet a nicer, more standup guy than Andy Green).
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1052257

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Thanks for the responses guys! I checked out the ECS SC600... looks like a pretty legit kit! I will look further into that.

Also, I will try checking out the A&A kit and see how it looks.

I think the only thing I need to do now; is find some boosted vettes around me and check them out to make sure its what I want.
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Originally Posted by Bad06vette

I think the only thing I need to do now; is find some boosted vettes around me and check them out to make sure its what I want.
Let me know when your in DFW and we'll hook up...
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Let me know when your in DFW and we'll hook up...
Awesome. Didn't even notice you were from Dallas. I am from Southlake, but am at school in Waco (Senior at Baylor). Taking the LSAT in 2 weeks and doing summer school.

Should be home sometime in the next month. I will def. PM you!
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Should be home sometime in the next month. I will def. PM you!
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At about how much power would I need to be looking at an alky kit?

Also, will the stock clutch be able to handle 500-520rwhp? Will I be having to look into an upgraded clutch soon after I install some boost?

How much boost can the stock short block handle? 6-7psi?
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An alky kit can help regardless, but you wont need it until you're over 600 with a centri. On a maggie, you might want it once your over 500whp.

The stock clutch will be fine for a while. Drive it until it starts to go, then replace it with a good quality single disk.

6-7lbs is a nice safe range. Some have gone over it without issues... Some have gone over that and lost a piston. Just depends on how much you want to push it.
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I had a procharger P eries in my 2005 A4 with just headers and exhaust and I was putting down 520 RWHP with just around 6 PSI. I did NOTHING to anything else and that set-up was incrediable. I took it to Connecticut and back to Florida TWICE and got 25.7- 26.8 MPG on those trips. Since then I now have a F1A procharger with the 8 ribbed set-up and a forged LS-7 with just 6 PSI and putting down 710 RWHP. I installed a smaller pulley and it is getting tuned as I type this reply. I also added the rear fenders from the Z-06 and 345 Hoosiers on the back. I will post all my results when I get the car back next week.
I would get the D- series Procharger if I was you and run the standard pulley that comes with the kit (usually 6 psi) and you will be more than happy.
I was running 11.40's at Moroso with the P-series at 6 PSI.

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I had a procharger P eries in my 2005 A4 with just headers and exhaust and I was putting down 520 RWHP with just around 6 PSI. I did NOTHING to anything else and that set-up was incrediable. I took it to Connecticut and back to Florida TWICE and got 25.7- 26.8 MPG on those trips. Since then I now have a F1A procharger with the 8 ribbed set-up and a forged LS-7 with just 6 PSI and putting down 710 RWHP. I installed a smaller pulley and it is getting tuned as I type this reply. I also added the rear fenders from the Z-06 and 345 Hoosiers on the back. I will post all my results when I get the car back next week.
I would get the D- series Procharger if I was you and run the standard pulley that comes with the kit (usually 6 psi) and you will be more than happy.
I was running 11.40's at Moroso with the P-series at 6 PSI.

What is the difference between the D1 and P1? I have never looked to see what the difference is....

The D series with the st. pulley will yield about what... 90-110 hp? I am looking to be around or a little above 500. 500-520 would be the acceptable range. Also, I will not do H/C if I do the boost. So, it would pretty much just be the Boost and Headers/exhaust and thats it.
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The D series is a few hundred dollars more if I am correct and has different internals. There was a post with pictures of the insides of the P, D, and the F series Prochargers.

I had the P series with just headers and exhaust and with the tune I was at 520 RWHP with a 2005 A4. I am pretty sure it was 6 PSI. I ran 11.40's with that set-up.
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The D blows more.... Higher RPM's, higher CFM.

The benefit to the D1 is that it gives more room for growth... You can get more out of it if you decide to forge, alky inject, etc.

The P1, Paxton 1500 (ECS), and Vortech S-trim are all comperable base level blowers.

The D1, Vortech T-trim, and the Paxton 2000 are the next level (of those three, I think most would agree the D1 has the edge raw stats wise, but they're still all the same class). I don't think there is a 2000 kit for the c6 though.

Then you have the Vortech Ysi and the F1C in the same class.

I think I have that pretty decently covered... If not I'm sure someone will step in and correct me.
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