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Old Jul 29, 2008 | 12:54 PM
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Well I am reading posts about peoples fuel pumps going that have the msd boost a pump system provided in APS's kit for TT systems. I have an 07 vett that has now broken down TWICE req. a flat bed tow each time in the last two weeks.

The first time I was on my way to work and the car wouldn't start when I stopped for coffee at a gas station. Mind you, the car has only 7k miles on it, and I have been so busy with work, I rarely even get to drive the car, let alone drive it hard. Had to have it flat bed towed to the local chevy dealer where they fortunately have a top corvette mechanic. A relay block and fuse were MELTED and they replaced, with tow the bill was about 400.

3 days later I was on the expressway at midnight with my wife when the car suddenly stopped running (I was going 65 mph and there were concrete barriers on either side of the road, little lighting and semis coming at me at high speed) we were nearly obliterated. I managed to PUSH the car off the highway near a ramp that was up ahead. Waited for another flat bed tow and off to the dealer again.

Now the fuel pump is gone. Dealer says 200 for the pump and 1000 for labor as you have to drop the fuel tanks to get to it. Worse, he is reluctant to do it as he thinks the same thing will just happen again. Car is SITTING at the dealership because APS is not responding to his emails for help. They responded ONCE asking where the kit was installed ANSWER exotic performance plus in Columbia City Indiana I believe they do a good job and installed it right. I am reading numerous posts about fuel pumps going out with this msd system.

I WAS NEARLY KILLED over this. This is BS. APS if you are reading this, I know you are in Australia but it doesn't matter, this is NOT the way to do business. My car is just SITTING at a chevy dealer because he will NOT charge me another 1200 and put back in a stock pump to have the same thing happen again.

WE NEED TO KNOW how to solve this problem so it doesn't happen again. I am running the low boost, around 6 lbs on stock bottom end. The kit was installed with all parts YOU PROVIDED and instructions were followed to the letter by EPP. My life is not worth this. I cannot put my wife in harms way again. I need to know how to tell this technician how to proceed, I don't care how much it costs, I want it FIXED PERMANENTLY I cannot afford for this to happen again where you put your life at stake. SOMEONE from your company needs to call me at 219-680-8915 anyone else who has experienced this problem can call me as well. Further the technician who is master certified with 20 plus years on the job and is already certified for the new zr-1 is named LEE STAR. He works at Mike Anderson Chevrolet from 8am til 4pm CST and the number is 219-947-4151.

If anyone reading this has advice on what I should do please call me at the 8915 phone number listed above.

Thanks a million
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Old Jul 29, 2008 | 04:53 PM
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If you are really running only 6psi, I would replace the pump and try a new tune using stock voltage(no MSD) to the pump.

You may be OK, but really have to recheck everything on the dyno.

The other option would be to go with a racetronix harness, which comes straight off the alternator, which would eliminate the MSD and potentially give you a bit more voltage without burning the pump.
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Old Jul 29, 2008 | 04:55 PM
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good luck and keep us posted.. i just ordered APS tt
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Old Jul 29, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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hi guys i am having oil leek problems on my 07 z06 aps tt
and they wont do anything, i´m not so happy with Aps the kitt cost´s 20,000 installed and no warranty
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Old Jul 29, 2008 | 08:31 PM
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Please keep us updated Anthony, while we have never had an issue with the MSD BAP's we are all ears on this.

In the past we have done 500hp on stock fuel pump with no booster, but that was only 500hp and i remember your car doing a bit more.

Either way, putting another pump back in there will yield the same results if the booster went crazy and zapped the pump.
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Old Jul 29, 2008 | 09:08 PM
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AVette,
What codes are thrown when your car dies/won't start? I'm not sure it's the pump... I want to help, but more info is needed...
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Jake@EPP
Please keep us updated Anthony, while we have never had an issue with the MSD BAP's we are all ears on this.

In the past we have done 500hp on stock fuel pump with no booster, but that was only 500hp and i remember your car doing a bit more.

Either way, putting another pump back in there will yield the same results if the booster went crazy and zapped the pump.
I have posted this info before, but here it is again for those that are interested.
I had my APS TT installed by LAPD in April of 07. At that time they had seen 5 failures with the MSD unit and as a matter of course they started using the MAGNA-VOLT. Here is the post my tuner, EC_Tune, put up in support of my earlier statements.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...2&postcount=10

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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 06:03 PM
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its quite disappointing to keep on hearing those horror stories from APS not responding to phone calls and PMs, or emails for that matter. What a good way of keeping your business alive.

This is exactly why I went with TTi, GREAT PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH.

I hope you do get this issue resolved as soon as possible thought, good luck!
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Originally Posted by ayousef
its quite disappointing to keep on hearing those horror stories from APS not responding to phone calls and PMs, or emails for that matter. What a good way of keeping your business alive.

This is exactly why I went with TTi, GREAT PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH.

I hope you do get this issue resolved as soon as possible thought, good luck!
I went to the APS web site and sent them a question concerning the air filters and had a nice response with in 3 hours. However, I did take into account the large time differential, so I sent it in the evening.

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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 06:28 PM
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I guess they are assuming you are a prospect customer? Thats the difference between before sales support and after sales support.

Or perhaps your question wasnt going to have them squeeze their brains and/or send you a replacement part under the warrantee that they provide, given they do provide a warrantee.

Something like that, anyways my first experience with APS was like this:

Me: Peter how much does the new Z06 APS TT system cost?
Peter: if you're asking, then you probably cannot afford it =)
Me: Youre right!! Given my Vertu mobile phone costs more than your TT kit.
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 06:59 PM
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Was here.. but didnt help... odd way to treat a customer that needs help

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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 07:37 PM
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I hope the "forum" takes some action against such supporting vendors, cause this is messed up to say the least.
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 07MontRedcp
I went to the APS web site and sent them a question concerning the air filters and had a nice response with in 3 hours. However, I did take into account the large time differential, so I sent it in the evening.

BJK
Most if not all emails are answered within 24 hours unless the email arrives over our week end........ in that case this would cause a 48 to 72 hour delay in replying to emails.

Peter

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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ayousef
Something like that, anyways my first experience with APS was like this:

Me: Peter how much does the new Z06 APS TT system cost?
Peter: if you're asking, then you probably cannot afford it =)
Me: Youre right!! Given my Vertu mobile phone costs more than your TT kit.
seems to me that you misunderstood my sense of humour.

My reply which you quoted above was simply a joke...........not a serious answer.

Peter
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by APS
seems to me that you misunderstood my sense of humour.

My reply which you quoted above was simply a joke...........not a serious answer.

Peter
Not a very smart joke in the name of business... And If I did that in my line of business, which I wouldn't... I would certainly apologize vs. basically telling the customer he was wrong by suggesting that he took it the wrong way... Just saying...
Al aka Ayousef, is spending a ton of dough, on a kick*ss build, I would want a customer like that!!!!
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Originally Posted by 07MontRedcp
I have posted this info before, but here it is again for those that are interested.
I had my APS TT installed by LAPD in April of 07. At that time they had seen 5 failures with the MSD unit and as a matter of course they started using the MAGNA-VOLT. Here is the post my tuner, EC_Tune, put up in support of my earlier statements.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...2&postcount=10
BJK

I have the MAGNA-VOLT and have had zero issues with over 10k miles.
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 10:43 PM
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It is not really an APS' system issue. The stock pumps are not really designed to handle the increased voltage the MSD is producing. You may as well go with a eithr a Nasty, ECS and A&A all make excellent PNP fuel systems capable of 1,000 HP. I am sure EPP can recommend / install any of these or build their own. They are going to set you back $2,000+, but you have to pay if you want to play.
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Originally Posted by aTX427
It is not really an APS' system issue. The stock pumps are not really designed to handle the increased voltage the MSD is producing. You may as well go with a eithr a Nasty, ECS and A&A all make excellent PNP fuel systems capable of 1,000 HP. I am sure EPP can recommend / install any of these or build their own. They are going to set you back $2,000+, but you have to pay if you want to play.
Not that I'm anti-APS, cause I'm not, but when you charge the premium APS does for a "complete" system, it most certainly IS their fault if the system breaks something. If the kit needs a fuel system, they shouldn't advertise it as having all it needs, or they should add a fuel system to the kit.

That said, I don't know anyone with an APS system that's had problems. It certainly sounds like there is an issue somewhere, though, and I would hope that APS would at least try to help get the problems resolved.
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by AVETTE
Well I am reading posts about peoples fuel pumps going that have the msd boost a pump system provided in APS's kit for TT systems. I have an 07 vett that has now broken down TWICE req. a flat bed tow each time in the last two weeks.
I'm not sure if you have seen or read the C6 twin turbo system install instructions out lining the MSD voltage setting. Please see the link below, the second sentence in red clearly out lines the test procedure for the voltage setting.

Peter

http://www.airpowersystems.com/corve...tall_guide.htm
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