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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 11:46 AM
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After owning two slightly modded Z06s and a ZR1 I have gotten bored of that level of power and I am ready to move on to some serious power. In the neighborhood of 1000hp. I'm leaning heavily towards twin turbos for my next car. My problem is this car has to be driven on a regular basis, sometimes several 100 miles and out on date night reliably. None of my Vettes ever left me stranded, not once. As a a matter of fact I only went to the dealer a handful of times and I drove a combined 75K in all cars. I drive mine pretty hard as well. Redline it multiple times each day for good measure. Like any Vette should be driven. You know, treat her like a one night stand after a bender at stinky pete's gulp and guzzle. Like a second cousin twice removed. Anyhoo lets not get sidetracked.
I track them a little. 8-10 drag strip trips a year and 1 or two track day events. And the Texas Mile. It needs to go 200+. I have seen many non boosted cars attempting to become boosted cars, mostly with bad results. Lots of breaking down and constant tuning. This is not what i want at all. I dont mind a little screw tightening every 10K or so but when I drive my car to the track or out of town for that matter it better make it back. The wife won't tolerate anything less.
Am I living in fantasy land? Does anyone have a daily driven TT that doesn't need a mechanic on call? Should I just get another ZR1 and tune it to 850hp and slap a bottle of nitrous on it for special occasions? What say you wise Corvetteforum? Tuner advice welcomed but real owners is what I really want. Thanks guys for any help.

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I think you can do 1000rwhp with turbos or blower. Just goto a good shop and have it done. Dallas performance, Vengance Racing, Lethal, ECS, etc.
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 01:21 PM
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you can make 1000whp.... call ECS... i've see the cars that do it and the owners love driving them and know it's reliable! I'll be up soon to get 850whp out of mine... for now 650whp keeps me happy.
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 355Spider
Am I living in fantasy land?
Unless you want to spend $50-75K in mods then yes.
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 02:59 PM
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Unless you want to spend $50-75K in mods then yes.
Thats about what I thought.
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 355Spider
Thats about what I thought.
my build is 811hp with a D1 if I needed more I could add spray or just change the head unit to a F1R to get close to a 1000. I am sure BIG will chime in as he as a very reliable 1000hp vette
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Dallas performance has built a few vettes over the 1000hp mark with solid reliability. I've seen a couple in person, one twin turbo and one F2 procharger, both forged LSX motors. I forget what Mr. Big's car puts down but I know it's up there. Taylor builds some incredible machines! Your goal is attainable, but it won't come cheap.

Fast and cheap = unreliable
Cheap and reliable = not fast
Fast and reliable = not cheap!

Take your pick!
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If you want 1k at the wheels I do not think you will ever get the reliability you want out of the drivetrain. Everything else you want is do-able.
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If you want 1k at the wheels I do not think you will ever get the reliability you want out of the drivetrain. Everything else you want is do-able.
^^^This!!!
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Originally Posted by mdaniel
Unless you want to spend $50-75K in mods then yes.
How so?

rebuilt the factory motor with forged components with proper compression and a blower cam, have ECS put in a proper centri with tune and you're pretty much there for less than $20K in parts and labor.
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How so?

rebuilt the factory motor with forged components with proper compression and a blower cam, have ECS put in a proper centri with tune and you're pretty much there for less than $20K in parts and labor.
20k/1000HP/Reliable
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Am I the only one that thinks you need t get an AWD Lambo and have a visit to UGR? That or a nice GTR
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Are we talking 1000 whp or 1000 crank hp? Big difference as far as being reliable, at least in my opinion.

And to the guy who thinks you can make a stock Vette put down a reliable 1000 rwhp with $20k -- MAYBE if you do all your own work and start with a Z06 or ZR1. Preferably a ZR1 as it has the stronger driveline parts. Even then, you are probably going to need to upgrade everything anyway.

I probably have $17k wrapped up in just parts, and I'm making less than 700 at the wheels. That's with a stock LS3 longblock and stock fuel system (KB BAP w/ Racetronix harness and DP Alky). That includes my driveline upgrades (LS9R clutch, built 30-spline TR6060 and used Z06 diff). I'd be looking at a LOT more $$$ in upgrades if I was planning to hit 1000 whp.

I'd also go twin turbo if that kind of power is in the plan. Any good TT kit is $10k+.
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Am I the only one that thinks you need t get an AWD Lambo and have a visit to UGR? That or a nice GTR
A GTR is actually not that unreasonable of an option. Used prices are coming down, from what I've heard. The AMS Alpha-9 package is ~$25k in parts and makes 900 crank hp on race fuel. Not sure what the Alpha-12 (1200 hp) goes for....

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Originally Posted by Random84
How so?

rebuilt the factory motor with forged components with proper compression and a blower cam, have ECS put in a proper centri with tune and you're pretty much there for less than $20K in parts and labor.
A 1,000 HP package from ECS is -way- north of $20K. Way way north. Same with anyone else. You can spend that much on the motor before you factor in a dime for a power adder, fuel system, trans/diff upgrades, etc.

The super reliable means you need to have hardware that supports quite a bit more than 1,000. At any rate, FI is not a $20K affair, especially not in the 1,000 hp club.
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Did you take a look at LMR's recent ZR1 accomplishments ? Making nines look easy on a radial.
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B]Does anyone have a daily driven TT that doesn't need a mechanic on call?[/B]
First thing, no one is going to come on here and brag about having a mechanic full time or on call, we will not hear about that, then everytime we see a huge dyno sheet about a car, its just a matter of time and we don't hear about them anymore for a while, well for your knowledge, make a guess where you think they are. lol Big power exceed the capability of most parts available for drivetrain. I just turn down 860rwhp to 750rwhp, because I enjoy it more, the car hooks better and less pressure on the drivetrain. Now some guys brag about their big dyno sheet and when they go to the track, their best time is equivalent to a 700rwhp car.

Am I living in fantasy land?
I will say yes, if you want to use the same car for draging racing, Texas 1 mile, occassionally road course and then still drives it to work and hope it don't leave you stranded on the side of the road, that have to be built by THE LORD.

Should I just get another ZR1 and tune it to 850hp and slap a bottle of nitrous on it for special occasions?
Well it will be better to have a second car which is going to have you bitter sweet sometimes, but will not leave you sitting stranded on the side of the road, waiting to get to work.
Nitrous is a nice way to have some extra power sitting at a switch ready to be used for emergency, I have it in my Viper with a remote opener, trust me, it works very nice and you don't have to be on it everytime.
With a few little work you can have a ZR1 making close to 750rwhp as a daily driver and a bottle to make the difference of 150rwhp and tha will be enough to run 200+ at Texas and have all the fun on the road. (Remember Emergency Power)
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I just got done with a project like you’re talking about taking on. If I take the cost of the car, rims, tires, and deduct the selling off of the stock motor. I think you’re going to be in the range of $20k-$25k in the motor, $3k-$8k in drivetrain, turbo system along with fuel system $12k-$25k.
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You can run 9.xx in the quarter mile with a measley 650rwhp ...RELIABLY. Aren't too many 1000 rwhp cars running those numbers AND ABLE TO MAINTAIN RELIABILITY. been there done that.
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Exactly what power level did you get bored with?

You say they (the Z06 and ZR1) were mildly modded...so...550rwhp? 600rwhp?

Why do you need to jump to 1000?

750rwhp can be had reliably and will likely be MUCH MUCH faster than anything you have driven previously and be MUCH cheaper to do.

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