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Old Jan 2, 2016 | 04:33 PM
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I have a Pfadt Rear Drag Bar but am considering getting rid of it for a GM ZR1 rear bar. Anyone using anything else? Thoughts? This is a M6 car at 850whp.
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I have a Pfadt Rear Drag Bar but am considering getting rid of it for a GM ZR1 rear bar. Anyone using anything else? Thoughts? This is a M6 car at 850whp.
Do it !!


And I'll take the ZR1 bar off your hands...


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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 12:30 PM
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Do it !!


And I'll take the ZR1 bar off your hands...


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If I did I would be using the ZR1 bar
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What's wrong with the Pfadt? I thought that bar did a good job, no? I've read that the alternative is the ZR1 like you mentioned. Shoot I've got 1.57 60ft on a 275/40-17 drag radial on my base with a rear Z51 sway bar.

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Originally Posted by Pitufina
What's wrong with the Pfadt? I thought that bar did a good job, no? I've read that the alternative is the ZR1 like you mentioned. Shoot I've got 1.57 60ft on a 275/40-17 drag radial on my base with a rear Z51 sway bar.
I believe the Z51 is the same as the z (27mm) Zr1 is 31mm I think.
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Old Jan 5, 2016 | 02:42 PM
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I believe the Z51 is the same as the z (27mm) Zr1 is 31mm I think.
I may be wrong but I think the Z51 is slightly smaller than the Z06. The front bars are the same though.
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Originally Posted by Pitufina
I may be wrong but I think the Z51 is slightly smaller than the Z06. The front bars are the same though.
Looks like you are correct sir

Zr1 31.29MM
z06 27.9
z51 25.6
f55 17.5
base 17.5

I really need to upgrade my f55...
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Drag bars and IRS really dont behave like a solid axle car.
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Originally Posted by Louis Gigliotti
Drag bars and IRS really dont behave like a solid axle car.
Interesting.....

So, I can grasp that they don't behave like a solid axle. But...is it as close as "we" can get to a solid axle ??

If not, I'd like to hear how an IRS can slow the "independent" nature of its design.


Thanks ....


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Interesting.....

So, I can grasp that they don't behave like a solid axle. But...is it as close as "we" can get to a solid axle ??

If not, I'd like to hear how an IRS can slow the "independent" nature of its design.


Thanks ....


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The two forces you have acting on a standard, big sway bar, solid axle car, are the engine torque- and pinion torque.

The IRS setup still has engine torque, but because the pinion can climb the ring gear all it wants, it doesn't act upon the chassis, due to the fact that it's decoupled from the half Shafts. The diff/torque tube twists, but what would normally transfer load to the chassis, it simply can't now, because the halfshafts do not allow for load transfer in that direction.

Make sense?
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Originally Posted by Louis Gigliotti
The two forces you have acting on a standard, big sway bar, solid axle car, are the engine torque- and pinion torque.

The IRS setup still has engine torque, but because the pinion can climb the ring gear all it wants, it doesn't act upon the chassis, due to the fact that it's decoupled from the half Shafts. The diff/torque tube twists, but what would normally transfer load to the chassis, it simply can't now, because the halfshafts do not allow for load transfer in that direction.

Make sense?

Makes total sense....and is why you never see a late model vette only lifting the left wheel like typical chassis car, the torque is evenly distributed.


So...you didn't really answer my question. How can you "couple" the sides, as to act together ??

I'm not chassis expert, but it does seem that....with adjustable end links and a "stiff" bar would force the sides to "mirror" each other ???

Thanks.....
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Not too sure how much a rear bar really helps with these cars at the track as my best 60ft and fastest pass was with the rear sway bar removed. 1.37 60ft no sway bars on the car.
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Originally Posted by C6David
Not too sure how much a rear bar really helps with these cars at the track as my best 60ft and fastest pass was with the rear sway bar removed. 1.37 60ft no sway bars on the car.
Could be because you're auto and you'll already have load on the suspension when leaving on the footbrake.
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1.5 60s on my base z51 car m6
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But the PFADT it bigger that the ZR1 and adjustable. What's making you think about it?
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Originally Posted by curtisb23
1.5 60s on my base z51 car m6
what is your suspension setup to get these times? also mods/hp?
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Stock suspension. 473whp Bolton cam car 11.0@125 was my best till my rst started to slip was on its way to 10s
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