50/50 Meth
Drifting
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Water is not combustible or compressible. two good reasons not to introduce into the combustion chamber.
Replacing the pump is a small concern.
I'll continue to use windshield washer fluid for the windshield and M1 for my meth spray. You guys can do whatever you want with your cars.
Replacing the pump is a small concern.
I'll continue to use windshield washer fluid for the windshield and M1 for my meth spray. You guys can do whatever you want with your cars.
Not critical of either way...100 percent or 50/50, 60/40 or whatever. Hell for the first 5 years I ran 100 percent meth and had Julio rebuild 2 pumps. Then I decided to try a mix while storing the car for winter so the seals didn't sit in pure meth while the car sat. When I took the car out it ran just as good and I even tried more timing without Kr as water absorbs heat better. It has been working for ME. Absolutely understand others desire to stay all meth. Whatever works. Just respect other people's decision as well.
Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '13
It's an atomized mist that is going in not a gallon of water. What do you think happens with condensation on cold mornings or high humidity. What you are looking to do is disrupt the combustion process enough to prevent detonation. This is in essence what higher octane does. Allows you to run higher timing during peak loads without detonation.
Not critical of either way...100 percent or 50/50, 60/40 or whatever. Hell for the first 5 years I ran 100 percent meth and had Julio rebuild 2 pumps. Then I decided to try a mix while storing the car for winter so the seals didn't sit in pure meth while the car sat. When I took the car out it ran just as good and I even tried more timing without Kr as water absorbs heat better. It has been working for ME. Absolutely understand others desire to stay all meth. Whatever works. Just respect other people's decision as well.
Not critical of either way...100 percent or 50/50, 60/40 or whatever. Hell for the first 5 years I ran 100 percent meth and had Julio rebuild 2 pumps. Then I decided to try a mix while storing the car for winter so the seals didn't sit in pure meth while the car sat. When I took the car out it ran just as good and I even tried more timing without Kr as water absorbs heat better. It has been working for ME. Absolutely understand others desire to stay all meth. Whatever works. Just respect other people's decision as well.
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I run 100% in mine as well... out of curiosity, if someone wanted to run a mix and bought pure 100% meth would it be ok to mix with regular tap water or use distilled bottled water... most of the mixes I've seen cost more than a gallon of 100% meth so essentially you could buy a gallon of 100% and mix it with a $1 gallon of water and make 2 gallons out of it... same idea as coolant, I see premix jugs of coolant that cost the same as non mixed so with a gallon of distilled water you have twice the coolant for nearly the same price
Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '13
I run 100% in mine as well... out of curiosity, if someone wanted to run a mix and bought pure 100% meth would it be ok to mix with regular tap water or use distilled bottled water... most of the mixes I've seen cost more than a gallon of 100% meth so essentially you could buy a gallon of 100% and mix it with a $1 gallon of water and make 2 gallons out of it... same idea as coolant, I see premix jugs of coolant that cost the same as non mixed so with a gallon of distilled water you have twice the coolant for nearly the same price
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Le Mans Master
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Streetk14 sent this link to me a while back. Interesting stuff. Even straight water injection has benefits. Leave it to the Germans to come up with a water injection system that never needs refilling http://www.gizmag.com/bmw-water-inje...y-power/38289/
Bet those guys running direct injected LT1's with carboned up valves would benefit from a system like this. Even n/a.
Bet those guys running direct injected LT1's with carboned up valves would benefit from a system like this. Even n/a.
Drifting
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From: Charlotte N.C.
Streetk14 sent this link to me a while back. Interesting stuff. Even straight water injection has benefits. Leave it to the Germans to come up with a water injection system that never needs refilling http://www.gizmag.com/bmw-water-inje...y-power/38289/
Bet those guys running direct injected LT1's with carboned up valves would benefit from a system like this. Even n/a.
Bet those guys running direct injected LT1's with carboned up valves would benefit from a system like this. Even n/a.
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Drifting
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Guess I'm a confused soul. I use this http://airsed.com/shop/Camco-Xtreme-...1-Gallon-30903 in my TVS2300 blown truck and straight meth in my Heartbeat TVS2300 blown Vette. The truck spends a lot of time in boost. Can't keep the Vette in boost very long without getting into all kinds of trouble. I believe the low temp WW fluid is about half meth. Don't believe you can buy it online and have it shipped due to the high meth content. I buy mine at a motorhome dealership.
Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '13
Originally Posted by speedz06
I'm still on the fence about using with the E-force due to the whole "coatings" thing...seeing this from you is encouraging. After this last motor failure I'm not going without again. You using MAF or MAP controls?
Le Mans Master
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I've been running all manner of concoctions through TVS and other Magnuson blowers since 2005. The next problem I have will be the first. The TVS2300 I have on my daily driver work truck has well in excess of 200K miles on it. Never had straight meth injected, but has had plenty of low temp WW fluid run though it. The Heartbeat TVS on my Vette does use straight meth. But, it's only been meth injected for a few thousand miles.
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Racer
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Run 50/50 boost juice with no problems so far and im at 713 to the wheels with an LS2. Nothing against 100%, just dont mind a little extra cooling down here in TX. That said, if I plan on going above the 750 level I would switch to E85 and 100% meth.
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Racer
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Just picked up my car from ECS Few questions
I picked the car up and had a few questions
Background
2008 LS3 NPP exhaust M7 stock everything else.
Installed Novi 1500 super charger with meth.
Dyno HP 650 TQ 613
I noticed when starting in first gear then shifting to second at 2500 RPM the RPM stay high for a second or two making the shift not as smooth as before. Also happens from second to third Is this normal?
I hit it pretty good on a straight away in 3rd and she woke up big time like holy Sh$t.
Great job ECS Doug and Chris.
Thanks
Background
2008 LS3 NPP exhaust M7 stock everything else.
Installed Novi 1500 super charger with meth.
Dyno HP 650 TQ 613
I noticed when starting in first gear then shifting to second at 2500 RPM the RPM stay high for a second or two making the shift not as smooth as before. Also happens from second to third Is this normal?
I hit it pretty good on a straight away in 3rd and she woke up big time like holy Sh$t.
Great job ECS Doug and Chris.
Thanks
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St. Jude Donor '15
Min airflow being a bit high can do that, or clutch fuel cutoff being disabled can do it too (or both). I'm sure they can take care of it in a few mins if you want them to tweak the tune a little
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Racer
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one tuner tell me run washer fluid only.... one tells me to run 100% meth another says 50/50....... LOL so I have decided on 66.6 % meth and 33.3 % water. I figure the water has to help with cooling and the pump will last longer. best of both worlds. I'm looking for safety not power. daily driver street car Z06 with 625 RWHP with no meth on 4lbs of boost is pleant for me. I'm sure I'll be at 650+ with the meth added and a new tune.
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Racer
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I believe the answer lies in the tune. If the tuner is counting on the extra octane from the meth he is leaning the AFR and counting on the meth to be 100% meth to add the octane under higher boost. If the tune is conservative then a 50/50 mix is fine.