Adding Meth, looking for reccomendations
01-08-2019, 05:03 PM
#1
Adding Meth, looking for reccomendations
Looking for recommendations for a good meth system with a tank i can remote mount in the trunk that has a level sensor to let me know when the meth level is low. I was thinking of the Devils Own meth kit but open to other options.
Im also adding a new charge pipe and doing an IAT breakout kit for proper IAT readings
Im also adding a new charge pipe and doing an IAT breakout kit for proper IAT readings
01-09-2019, 10:44 AM
#2
Drifting
I went with AEM. I spent lots of time doing research and I have ran a DO kit a few times in the past. I really like the AEM controller and nozzle holder setup and think it's priced quite reasonably for what you get. They have a version with the MAP sensor built into the controller and you run a vac line to it inside the cabin, or a multi input one that you can tap a wire into your MAP or MAF or even injector for duty cycle based control.
For each version they sell one with a 1 gallon tank or no tank. You might have to shop around and bit more and buy separately if you want to get a specific tank or a bigger one, etc.
I have the multi input one and I'm just going to tap into my 2 bar MAP.
If you mount the tank in the trunk make you sure also install a solenoid close to the nozzle.
https://www.aemelectronics.com/produ...soline-engines
For each version they sell one with a 1 gallon tank or no tank. You might have to shop around and bit more and buy separately if you want to get a specific tank or a bigger one, etc.
I have the multi input one and I'm just going to tap into my 2 bar MAP.
If you mount the tank in the trunk make you sure also install a solenoid close to the nozzle.
https://www.aemelectronics.com/produ...soline-engines
Last edited by aaronc7; 01-09-2019 at 10:45 AM.
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01-09-2019, 10:59 PM
#3
Alkycontrol.
Not much else to say.
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01-10-2019, 08:32 AM
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01-10-2019, 08:40 AM
#6
Drifting
Nothing is wrong. That's what I use, but the OP was looking for trunk options. Personally, I like keeping it out of the car as well, but you will need to replace the grommet at the bottom of the tank at some point to avoid it leaking.
01-10-2019, 08:41 AM
#7
I’m pretty sure alkycontrol sells a trunk mount now as well or if it’s not a trunk mount it’s another tank that goes in the engine bay so you keep the WW tank.
Last edited by 73DBG; 01-10-2019 at 08:49 AM.
01-10-2019, 09:52 AM
#8
Good point I totally missed the trunk mount part, I guess the next question is who’s doing the install? I’m a beginner and got alkycontrol done(with assistance) but it’s not a bad install, how difficult or easy is the Pro Meth install? Maybe price points as well? Single or dual nozzle?
I’m pretty sure alkycontrol sells a trunk mount now as well or if it’s not a trunk mount it’s another tank that goes in the engine bay so you keep the WW tank.
01-10-2019, 09:58 AM
#9
I just know that the sensor in the tank isnt made for high concentrations of meth and can be damaged by it, also the tank will leak eventually.
Why dont some people like the tank in the rear cubbies? fumes?
A shop is doing the install, not sure about single or dual nozzle, im SBE and already 800+ so not looking for adding a bunch of power, just the extra octane and cooling.
Why dont some people like the tank in the rear cubbies? fumes?
A shop is doing the install, not sure about single or dual nozzle, im SBE and already 800+ so not looking for adding a bunch of power, just the extra octane and cooling.
Last edited by 73DBG; 01-10-2019 at 10:01 AM.
01-10-2019, 10:05 AM
#10
Sounds like our situations are different not sure what fuel system your running and I’m guessing your gonna run 50/50?
01-10-2019, 11:14 AM
#11
Drifting
Many on here will blindly parrot that alky is the best and I can't help but see their kit as outdated. Their controller is not nearly as intuitive as the others and components such as nozzles are eh (they use what appear to be same nozzles that I used on my DO kit in 2008). Not that it's bad, but many others have continued to update and improve their product. Their selling point may be a true plug n play application for these cars, to include the right length braided SS lines etc.
You can definitely cobble together something on your own, you don't have to conform to one brand/kit. I would get the controller/pump main components from a brand but nothing says you can't use another's nozzles or misc fittings if it will work for your install.
I did trunk mount in a hatchback and yes the fumes are a problem. You really need to vent the tank outside like a fuel cell would. If you are purely looking for safety/protection, you could run just water or a lower alcohol content and in cabin fumes may very well not be an issue. Water is going to be the best thing to keep your pistons and combustion chamber cool too.
Single nozzle vs dual nozzle... they sell tons of nozzle sizes. What you need to figure out is how much volume of liquid you need and then get appropriate sized jets. The reason for going to dual is because once you get to a huge jet, atomization sucks. You generally don't want to go larger than 15 gph (M15) for a single nozzle, so if you go above that, go to 2 x M10s or whatever. Also depending on your water/meth content, you will have different volume requirements. Water alone you will want way less volume than pure methanol-- too much water and it will be counter productive and you'll just lose a bunch of power. Talk to your tuner and go from there would be my advice. 15 gph on a 50/50 mix would probably be a good amount for your setup as a starting place.
You can definitely cobble together something on your own, you don't have to conform to one brand/kit. I would get the controller/pump main components from a brand but nothing says you can't use another's nozzles or misc fittings if it will work for your install.
I did trunk mount in a hatchback and yes the fumes are a problem. You really need to vent the tank outside like a fuel cell would. If you are purely looking for safety/protection, you could run just water or a lower alcohol content and in cabin fumes may very well not be an issue. Water is going to be the best thing to keep your pistons and combustion chamber cool too.
Single nozzle vs dual nozzle... they sell tons of nozzle sizes. What you need to figure out is how much volume of liquid you need and then get appropriate sized jets. The reason for going to dual is because once you get to a huge jet, atomization sucks. You generally don't want to go larger than 15 gph (M15) for a single nozzle, so if you go above that, go to 2 x M10s or whatever. Also depending on your water/meth content, you will have different volume requirements. Water alone you will want way less volume than pure methanol-- too much water and it will be counter productive and you'll just lose a bunch of power. Talk to your tuner and go from there would be my advice. 15 gph on a 50/50 mix would probably be a good amount for your setup as a starting place.
01-12-2019, 01:54 PM
#12
Safety Car
more than a few have burned to the ground with the leaking ww tank and plastic lines.check out the 2 cars at COTA that experienced this a while back.I would prefer a real fuel cell with stainless lines mounted in the cubby.there is no smell of fumes in cabin with the original AIS fuel cell mounted in cubby, that is now sold by others
Last edited by irok; 01-12-2019 at 02:09 PM.
01-13-2019, 11:57 AM
#13
For those asking why not the cubbies, my reason is that I dont like the idea of being in the same compartment as a fuel container. I'm just imagining getting rear ended pretty bad, that tank breaking and covering the interior in meth.
I run mine in the WW tank for about 3 years with no leaks or issues. If it ever did have issues, I'd probably just mount and aftermarket tank in its place. Just my personal opinion though.
I run mine in the WW tank for about 3 years with no leaks or issues. If it ever did have issues, I'd probably just mount and aftermarket tank in its place. Just my personal opinion though.
01-13-2019, 12:24 PM
#14
For those asking why not the cubbies, my reason is that I dont like the idea of being in the same compartment as a fuel container. I'm just imagining getting rear ended pretty bad, that tank breaking and covering the interior in meth.
I run mine in the WW tank for about 3 years with no leaks or issues. If it ever did have issues, I'd probably just mount and aftermarket tank in its place. Just my personal opinion though.
I run mine in the WW tank for about 3 years with no leaks or issues. If it ever did have issues, I'd probably just mount and aftermarket tank in its place. Just my personal opinion though.
01-13-2019, 01:30 PM
#15
more than a few have burned to the ground with the leaking ww tank and plastic lines.check out the 2 cars at COTA that experienced this a while back.I would prefer a real fuel cell with stainless lines mounted in the cubby.there is no smell of fumes in cabin with the original AIS fuel cell mounted in cubby, that is now sold by others
Last edited by 73DBG; 01-13-2019 at 01:31 PM.
01-13-2019, 06:40 PM
#17
01-13-2019, 07:06 PM
#18
Yeah, I'm confused about that too, I didn't have any bare plastic lines in my Alkycontrol kit. The stuff from the pump to the intake is all braided stainless and the feed for the pump was some kit of fabric braided hose.
Id think if there was any notable leak, you'd pick it up pretty quick when filling the tank. I always check before I take it out (mine isnt a daily either, so I top it off when I get home and check all car fluids before I head out), so if it was low half a gallon or something I'd know something was wrong as it should be basically full.
Id think if there was any notable leak, you'd pick it up pretty quick when filling the tank. I always check before I take it out (mine isnt a daily either, so I top it off when I get home and check all car fluids before I head out), so if it was low half a gallon or something I'd know something was wrong as it should be basically full.
01-13-2019, 07:12 PM
#19
Yeah, I'm confused about that too, I didn't have any bare plastic lines in my Alkycontrol kit. The stuff from the pump to the intake is all braided stainless and the feed for the pump was some kit of fabric braided hose.
Id think if there was any notable leak, you'd pick it up pretty quick when filling the tank. I always check before I take it out (mine isnt a daily either, so I top it off when I get home and check all car fluids before I head out), so if it was low half a gallon or something I'd know something was wrong as it should be basically full.
Id think if there was any notable leak, you'd pick it up pretty quick when filling the tank. I always check before I take it out (mine isnt a daily either, so I top it off when I get home and check all car fluids before I head out), so if it was low half a gallon or something I'd know something was wrong as it should be basically full.