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Old Feb 24, 2020 | 07:04 PM
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I currently put 720 to the wheels on about 10psi. I am upgrading the fuel system and converting to E85. I will be going to a lot smaller pulley as well and hope to be closer to 18 psi. I currently have a 38mm BOV by A&A. Do I have to go to a bigger BOV?
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I would go with A&A’s Big Bubba. It will handle the extra air you’ll be moving when you go higher boost. The 38mm will start fluttering and could create compressor surge.
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I’d go 50mm for sure. Not sure how much the big bubba is but A&A makes solid ****. I personally use the Tial Q 50mm open to atmosphere 👍🏻

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Old Feb 25, 2020 | 10:45 AM
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The Big Bubba is 52mm and even with the filter on it sounds awesome.
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Old Feb 25, 2020 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Patriot Six
The Big Bubba is 52mm and even with the filter on it sounds awesome.
My bad I meant price wise. I know the Procharger big red race valve is stupid $ like $500.

The big bubba does sound awesome 👍🏻
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It was like $450 when you included the flange.
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I'm getting ready to install the Raceport 50MM bov from A&A. Does anyone have instructions or photos on how to gain access to the bov?
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Just remove the passenger front wheel and the wheel liner then disconnect the vacuum line and couplers.


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generally it helps to put the bow close to the throttle body.
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Thanks for the input everyone. I am going bigger!
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Originally Posted by romandian
generally it helps to put the bow close to the throttle body.
That is a false statement. You want to have the bov before the innercooler so you don’t heat soak the innercooler with a bunch of hot air that you are just going to vent off. Also depending on what kind of tune you have in the car it can cause tuning issues. Bov placement should be as close to the head unit as possible and before the innercooler

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Originally Posted by playtoy
That is a false statement. You want to have the bov before the innercooler so you don’t heat soak the innercooler with a bunch of hot air that you are just going to vent off. Also depending on what kind of tune you have in the car it can cause tuning issues. Bov placement should be as close to the head unit as possible and before the innercooler

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to lazy to type:

"a BOV should be placed about 12 inches before the trotle body
reason behind it is so that when the butterfly closes and the pressure starts to reverse towards the turbo, as soon as the surge takes place, the BOV will bleed the pressure out and keep it as far form the turbo as possible, making sure the turbo doesnt surge and brakes"

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1.)Less of a loss in boost in between shifts (at least it's claimed)
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2.) Less chance of compressor surge

Hmmmm....which one would you rather have? I'll take a lesser chance of surge anyday over a 0.5 second head start to getting back to full boost."

also check out the placement on stock vehicles.
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Originally Posted by romandian
to lazy to type:

"a BOV should be placed about 12 inches before the trotle body
reason behind it is so that when the butterfly closes and the pressure starts to reverse towards the turbo, as soon as the surge takes place, the BOV will bleed the pressure out and keep it as far form the turbo as possible, making sure the turbo doesnt surge and brakes"

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1.)Less of a loss in boost in between shifts (at least it's claimed)
or
2.) Less chance of compressor surge

Hmmmm....which one would you rather have? I'll take a lesser chance of surge anyday over a 0.5 second head start to getting back to full boost."

also check out the placement on stock vehicles.
This post is about centrifugal superchargers.
The factory location for all centri kits is exactly where we’ve said, close to blower before intercooler.

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how would that matter? can you give an example of a "factory" centri installation?

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Originally Posted by romandian
how would that matter? can you give an example of a "factory" centri installation?
I think the better question is show us what centri blower kit comes with BOV/bypass in the location you recommend based on an article about turbo placement BOV and compressor surge? I can tell you already the 3 centri blower kit manufacturers all have them located before intercooler close to blower.

Now you can move it, mine isn’t in the exact spot anymore because I went with a Tial Q 50mm and we used all aluminum piping removed all the rubber hoses but it’s still before intercooler and close to the blower. I’ve seen some people use the location you speak of but there are zero kits that come with it in that location.



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Most of us have meth nozzles spraying just up stream of where you suggest the BOV, again I’ve seen it in that location but never with meth spraying behind it. Interesting all three kits use the same location though...maybe ECS or A&A will jump in to give the down and dirty tech beside what has already been explained as why it’s comes in the factory location.


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the ecs kits come with the bov after the intecooler. others i think just put it where its most convenient. best bov location is close to tb, its a well known fact, sorry. (the bov is there to protect the compressor from surge, if you think about it it should make sence.)
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Lots of OEMs now have the bypass/blow off built into the compressor housing, we can argue senselessly about what is 'best' but clearly any location on charge piping works fine. I think it just comes down to packaging and where it fits best, beyond that I wouldn't bother worrying. Hot side is probably best if you run a MAF though.
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Originally Posted by romandian
the ecs kits come with the bov after the intecooler. others i think just put it where its most convenient. best bov location is close to tb, its a well known fact, sorry. (the bov is there to protect the compressor from surge, if you think about it it should make sence.)
Cant be too much of a well known fact if the majority of us making decent power don’t use that location now it is much more common and standard location for TT set ups
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Originally Posted by romandian
the ecs kits come with the bov after the intecooler. others i think just put it where its most convenient. best bov location is close to tb, its a well known fact, sorry. (the bov is there to protect the compressor from surge, if you think about it it should make sence.)
wrong, ecs kit placed the bov on the intercooler on the bottom end where air would hit it as a straight shot. Please go educate yourself in centri blowers and heat management before providing advice.

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