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Old Mar 29, 2020 | 12:30 PM
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So been thinking that I might step down a pulley size or two on my E-force powered Grand Sport (6-speed manual, dry sump). (I clearly need more power).

Right now I am running a 3.5" pulley and making 520/520 wheel hp/tq. This is on a completely stock engine except for Kooks catted headers (and E-force of course). I do have a DeWitts radiator, Monster LT1-S twin disc clutch (700 hp), BAP with Racetronix fuelpump upgrade harness, and CPR expansion tank.

I know I will need to upgrade to larger injectors and a re-tune. Was thinking FIC1000's. (ID1050X would be nice but much more pricey).

What kind of gains could I expect going to a 3.25" pulley? or even a 3.0"?

I know that on the 3.5: pulley I am at about 7.8 psi. From what I understand for every pulley size down, it increases the boost by about 1.5 to 2 psi.

Was thinking that 600 wheel hp would be nice.





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I have a 3.5" (90mm) pulley on my Heartbeat .... Like yours, my GS is stock except for the SC and a set of 1 1/2" headers.

I removed the 52 Lb/Hr @ 58 PSI LS9 injectors and installed a set of FIC/Bosch 72 Lb/Hr @ 58 PSI injectors ... My injector duty cycle went from 90% down to 72% after the injector change.

Fuel Injector Connection P/N: FIC60LS

If you change injectors, the car will need to be re-calibrated (dyno tuned) to get the new injectors to work properly.

FIC link to the injectors I purchased: https://fuelinjectorconnection.com/c...high-impedance

Do a web search for the cheapest price for FIC60LS (cost runs between $420 and $460 a set)

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Like Turbo I have the Heartbeat also. Have 84mm pulley on top 1 7/8 ARH ,65lb Fast injectors. Wanted to put on the 81mm last year but the injectors were at 95% duty already. Looking to get that done this year. At 625rwhp now.
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E Force generating 9 psi with 3.8" pulley. 6.0L, stock cats and H pipe probably helped push it briefly to 9psi.
Mods to come if we ever get out of lock down.
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If you're upgrading injectors, jump up enough to accommodate E85. Not much down side to running bigger injectors than you need at current power levels.

A pound of boost adds 15 to 20 hp. The higher your boost is before the upgrade, the lower the hp increase. If you're starting at 7psi and go to 9, I'd bet you'd see 40 more hp. If starting at 10 and going to 12, your hp increase may be closer to 25-30.

I'd stop at the 3.25" pulley unless you're going E85 or adding a cam into the mix. With E85 and a cam upgrade running the 3.0" pulley + E85 = BEASTLY.
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If you're upgrading injectors, jump up enough to accommodate E85. Not much down side to running bigger injectors than you need at current power levels.

A pound of boost adds 15 to 20 hp. The higher your boost is before the upgrade, the lower the hp increase. If you're starting at 7psi and go to 9, I'd bet you'd see 40 more hp. If starting at 10 and going to 12, your hp increase may be closer to 25-30.

I'd stop at the 3.25" pulley unless you're going E85 or adding a cam into the mix. With E85 and a cam upgrade running the 3.0" pulley + E85 = BEASTLY.
I was thinking of going with the FIC 1000CC injectors which are 95.2 lb/hr. I have also considered adding E85 but if I did that I would probably also want to upgrade my fuel pump as well. And things just would continue to spiral out of control.

Hmm. Might be better to stick with my existing boost level and upgrade cam and springs instead. Would still have to upgrade injectors regardless.
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What are you running for a fuel pump now?
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What are you running for a fuel pump now?
Stock fuel pump with a BAP with a hobb switch and Racetronix harness.
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Originally Posted by Spaceme1117
Stock fuel pump with a BAP with a hobb switch and Racetronix harness.
You're good on fuel down to a 3.25" and blower cam. I ran that same fuel setup with 3.3" pulley and 60# injectors to 642rwhp. Getting to that power level on 52# injectors might be cutting it close though.
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Originally Posted by old motorhead

You're good on fuel down to a 3.25" and blower cam. I ran that same fuel setup with 3.3" pulley and 60# injectors to 642rwhp. Getting to that power level on 52# injectors might be cutting it close though.
And if those 60# injectors are the Bosch units, they actually flow 72 Lb/Hr at 58 PSI ..... That 60 Lb/Hr rating is at 3 bar fuel pressure (43.5 PSI)
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Originally Posted by Turbo6TA
And if those 60# injectors are the Bosch units, they actually flow 72 Lb/Hr at 58 PSI ..... That 60 Lb/Hr rating is at 3 bar fuel pressure (43.5 PSI)
They were Siemens/Deka Mototrons. Hell, Bosch may own that outfit by now. I believe you are correct on how they were rated. Magnuson sent the first jackshaft TVS 2300's out with those injectors. Those first kits also came with a Callaway Honker CAI.
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