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Old Feb 3, 2021 | 10:38 AM
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Default OEM Fuel Pump Limitations

@ what HP or boost level does the OEM fuel pump start to fall off? or cant keep up?
with a Centrifugal and E85.... since E85 requires more volume.
Even with a BAP...

Is it easier to throw an INLINE in it? I know its a PIA to replace the OEM pump.

what are your real world experiences?
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BAP on 93 Pump and I was running out of pressure at 550whp with a heartbeat blower.

now with the ECS stage 1 E85 kit, stock in tank pump and 1050x injectors I’m at 750whp on E and have zero issues.
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Originally Posted by ls1wolf
BAP on 93 Pump and I was running out of pressure at 550whp with a heartbeat blower.

now with the ECS stage 1 E85 kit, stock in tank pump and 1050x injectors I’m at 750whp on E and have zero issues.
BAP for the pump? Now I mean with the ECS

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I used the BAP with stock pump at 550. Now at 750 I am not using the BAP. Just the Ecs kit
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^What vehicle? From what I understand manual GS cars came with the Z06 pump. They have been known to eclipse 700rw with a BAP on pump gas. Corn all bets are off.

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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 01:29 PM
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^What vehicle? From what I understand manual GS cars came with the Z06 pump. They have been known to eclipse 700rw with a BAP on pump gas. Corn all bets are off.
My auto car makes 800rwhp with just a BAP with zero issues. I am guessing that anyone who ran out of fuel at 550 hp it was more of not enough injector thing rather the BAP failing.
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Originally Posted by D-Dub2013
My auto car makes 800rwhp with just a BAP with zero issues. I am guessing that anyone who ran out of fuel at 550 hp it was more of not enough injector thing rather the BAP failing.
Holy smokes that’s nuts! What’s your setup exactly?
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Originally Posted by JetstreamGS
Holy smokes that’s nuts! What’s your setup exactly?
SBE LS3, ECS 1500 with standard size pulley, BTR LS3 Centri Blower Cam, DW90 injectors, BAP, single port meth injection, full exhaust with hi-flow cats, and well tuned on 91 octane.

I want to make a few changes with the fuel system though. I plan to upgrade my fuel system soon to allow for a future engine transplant, but for now it all works without problems.
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Originally Posted by D-Dub2013
My auto car makes 800rwhp with just a BAP with zero issues. I am guessing that anyone who ran out of fuel at 550 hp it was more of not enough injector thing rather the BAP failing.
Utah and correction factors, so ignore this really. Fuel pump doesn't care about corrected numbers, only actual.
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Originally Posted by Unreal
Utah and correction factors, so ignore this really. Fuel pump doesn't care about corrected numbers, only actual.
Exactly. Something I wouldn’t want to skimp on is fuel mods. 800 with a BAP seems extremely high and generous.
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Originally Posted by Unreal
Utah and correction factors, so ignore this really. Fuel pump doesn't care about corrected numbers, only actual.
The uncorrected numbers are not much different though. Also we tuned to go race 3500 feet lower than here and it made similar numbers on that dyno. So ignore if you want.

With that said I do realize the fuel system is being pushed and will upgrade it soon.

And also I would like to know which states and elevations are excluded from "real world" experiences?

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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by D-Dub2013
The uncorrected numbers are not much different though. Also we tuned to go race 3500 feet lower than here and it made similar numbers on that dyno. So ignore if you want.

With that said I do realize the fuel system is being pushed and will upgrade it soon.

And also I would like to know which states and elevations are excluded from "real world" experiences?
Hard parts don't care about correction factors, that simple. What is your correction factor on that 800rwhp dyno sheet? Most in Utah are 23-28%, which means you are probably making around 600rwhp actual which makes sense.
Doesn't matter what state, but anything 4000+ feet (Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, New Mexico, etc) typically have 15-30% correction factors, which make statements like "I made XXX power on stock rods, fuel, pistons, clutch" basically useless without stating actual power, because actual power is what those parts are seeing.

Simple, just post your actual numbers and you can say it supports that much.
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Fuel pump doesn't have to work as hard if you're supplementing with meth.
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Originally Posted by old motorhead
Fuel pump doesn't have to work as hard if you're supplementing with meth.
You make a very valid point.
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Anyone running BAP along with the ECS stage 1?

ive currently got just a BAP but have the ECS stage 1 and alky meth kit to fit. Wondering if I should leave the BAP or remove it.
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I'd leave it installed but disable the hobbs switch or whatever is turning it on and see if it'll hold fuel pressure without it. Then you'll know if you actually need it or not. No reason to put the extra stress on the pump if you can avoid it, IMO anyways.
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ill have to double check how it’s currently running as I’ve never seen a Hobbs switch. Wonder if they’ve wired it permanently


Originally Posted by schpenxel
I'd leave it installed but disable the hobbs switch or whatever is turning it on and see if it'll hold fuel pressure without it. Then you'll know if you actually need it or not. No reason to put the extra stress on the pump if you can avoid it, IMO anyways.
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Sorry also just remembered as I’m fitting the alky meth kit, the bap can’t be in permanently as the meth kit is connected to the pump wire and could damage it
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Sounds like a bad wiring job to me
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Originally Posted by schpenxel
Sounds like a bad wiring job to me
ill have to check it out as it’s all fitted under the passenger front fender. Either way I’ve been told not to run it without a Hobbs if installing the meth kit as it may not like the spike in voltage
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