Have a quick question, I received my predator yesterday and uploaded the Predator Performance tune (car feels stronger BTW, pretty happy). I was stepping through the modify functions and I did not see anything for Torque Managment removal as listed in the instruction guide. Does the predator automatically remove it with the performance tune? Or am I missing the menu somewhere?

Thanks for any help!

 

The "official" answer has always been that the Predator removes torque management, but I don't think you'll ever get a real answer. Is yours an M6? Some people argue that the M6 cars don't have any TM to begin with. The whole issue of TM is something that is not well understood here because no one has definitively proven/disproven its existence and what it actually does at what times.

Mike

 

Yes, my car is an M6. Weird that it does not have any way to change the TM settings as listed in the instruction manual. Makes you think it doesnt really remove it as you say.

 

Or... that maybe TM really doesn't exist on the M6 and those parameters only pop up if you enter "automatic" as the transmission type instead of what we choose: "manual". It does make one wonder.

Mike

 

MikeyC6 is correct about the TM in both regards. If it was there, it is gone. The manual may not be accurate since it came from an older manual and really needs to be rewritten.

What is a more important question-at least to me is what effect does this have on active handling and traction control as I understand it TM does play some role with both. What is starting to really **** me off about this is that information is hoarded more than gold is in Fort Knox.

I can understand that some people want to make a buck off their knowledge, and that's okay-this is America , but like any other car mod there are those who will pay to have a mod done no matter how much info there is on the subject-just there are those who won't no matter whether info is out there or not-so the hoarders are not going to make a penny more by hiding the info. I am sorry to hijack your thread with my rant

 

Interesting you bring up TC. I've noticed a few posts where people with C6's and GTO's claim that since getting tuned the TC doesn't work much at all anymore, alot more wheelspin is allowed..... Perhaps TM deals more with TC when on then if TC is off.

But then there is also the tuning thread regarding the C6 Z06. There are parameters that say right there on the screen TM on/off and some other percentages. Let me see if I can find the screenshot.

Well perhaps not as clear as on/off, here's the thread and some pics from it.
http://www.corvettels7.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32

 

Since TC and AH have been brought up , Can anyone tell me the difference between "Traction Control Off" and "Competitive Mode"?

 

Please explain "front axle ratio". What kind of car are we talking about here? Also, what is this? LS2EDIT?

Mike

 

It's a LS7edit screenshot for the C6 Z06. But I would think you could find similar screenshots of LS2edit, I didn't dig enough though.

 

Competitive mode is just ride control no traction control.

Let me restate Competitve mode is AH and no TC

 

Thanks for the reply JohngC62005,

So what if I set it to "Traction Control Off" , how is that different from "Competitve Mode"?

 

Competitive mode allows more leeway before AH kicks in, it also disables TC.

"Traction Control Off" simply turns TC off and keeps the normal AH settings.

 

That would be for the Trailblazer SS. It is powered by the LS2 and is available with full-time all-wheel drive with a TORSEN® center differential.

LS2 Edit will work on the Trailblazer along with the Corvette.

 

Could not have said it better.................................

 

Thanks Guys!

 

I have HP tuners for my M6 06 C6.

in the tables for TM, the levels are super high, which leads me to beleive the m6 do not have a torque managment.

the auto's do for sure, and the above is a trailblazer SS which is also auto, which therefore would have it.

 

I'm confused (as are many others) regarding torque management.

Would the following be correct:

1. We don't really know if it exists at all!
2. Should it actually exist, we don't know which models use it.
3. Should it actually exist, we don't know how to turn it off or modify it.

I find it hard to believe, that with all the knowledgeable people who use this forum, e.g. tuners, GM engineers and technicians, etc., that we apparently cannot find any information. Someone should sure as hell know if it exists! We aren't talking about UFOs here, yet getting a clear answer is about as easy as getting a bomb from the Atomic Energy Commission (or whoever controls them)!

 

check out this thread for some interesting information regardling TM

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1363742

also this thread (poll) http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1363972

some of the interesting items i noticed in the description of functions for the sensors
are:

don't these functions look familiar ?

"Indicative SAW Torque Sensor Applications and Potential Benefits:

Electronic Transmission Control:
Input/Output Shaft Torque & Transmission Component Applications
Hybrid Vehicle Powertrain Control
Potential to Improve Shift Smoothness, Vehicle Performance & Fuel Economy

Electronic Driveline Control:
Torque Management Systems (4WD & AWD Vehicles)
Potential to Improve Vehicle Performance, Stability & Safety

Engine Management:
Direct Measurement of Engine Torque -
(Crankshaft & Powertrain Component Applications)
Potential to Improve Vehicle Performance & Fuel Economy

Steering Torque Management:
Measurement of Torque in the Steering Column
Chassis Electronic Power Assist Systems (CEPAS) Applications
Potential to Reduce System Complexity


kinda looks like items out of LS2Edit ???

 

I've looked around, and I see NO indication that GM has released any application which utilizes "SAW Torque Sensors" to the Corvette.

Since you've brought this up more than once now, do you have specifics?

http://www.iqmobil.com/index.php?m=2...I2&language=de



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[returns just one item, which is a false postive - patent applies to plasma technology, not your magic valve stem caps]

 

That was my point. Oddly enough the description of the functions of the sensors are what everyone keeps pointing too in ls2edit, and others, as justification and proof that the manual trannies have tm. the saw can show front and rear axle torque, input and output shaft torque, etc. these are the same values the 'tuners' modify to 'remove' tm.

it looks as if i was able to find some documentation about automotive torque sensors and how they work. a description of the functions looks very simliar to some of the popular 'tuning' software 'tweaks'. before this 'find' we were all in the dark as too how they worked and what they monitored.

however, they all point too and refer to "automatic" transmissions, not manuals. that again was my point.

the 'joke' about magic valve caps was my lame attempt at humor. it was about being able to disable Tm with a 'virus' introduced into the system when the tps was activated.

i don't have any specifics if GM is using SAW sensors or not. what i'm saying is we've been looking and hammering and trying to find some information about tm in the vette. folks keeps saying it's here in the software, or it's here in this software... blah. blah.. blah.... others want to know what and where torque is being monitored and how to drive around it.

i found some information that provides answers to some of those questions and the technology still says 'automatic' transmissions not manuals.

i've been looking for proof of the existence of tm in the c6 and this was the best information i found. let's debate it out. let's prove once and for all if tm exists in the manuals.

others have asked 'tuners' to chime in and to explain how tm works and what it is monitoring, either it's a trade secret and they should say so or they just don't know other than what is shown in their tuning software.

even as some 'tuners' have responded when asked about the option to modify the 'front/rear driveshaft' torque limits, 'that option is for the 4WD/AD, here look at this part the input/output torque limits, that what you want to modify, the other option (front rear driveshaft) does'nt apply to the vette.' well, who says the other 'tm' settings apply ? why aren't they ignored like the other options ?

personally, i don't think tm exists in the manuals. i believe there is an 'abuse' mode that will reduce power but i don't believe the reset interval is so low that 'abuse' mode only lasts a fraction of a second.