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Old Aug 20, 2019 | 10:26 PM
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I've been researching tuning and I'm curious why a MAF needs to be recalibrated when new parts are installed. I get the VE tables needing adjustment considering they are a stored, look up table originally based on stock components. Where the confusion comes in is why does a MAF, which is reading actual air flow, need to be recalibrated or scaled? Is there not a range of airflow for the sensor and the air flow is just the airflow? If that is the case then maybe the factory calibration is off by a margin gm is ok with?
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Correcting the MAF table for air flow changes allows the LTFT's to adjust for what they are designed for and not for incorrect initial settings. They have limited range.
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The sensing element on a MAF only measures a small percentage of the actual air going through the entire housing/pipe. If you change the relationship between number of molecules actually hitting the hot wire element in the sensor and the total number of molecules flowing through the open area, you have changed the response curve for the sensor as it is reported to the ECU. Even a change in the pipes upstream of the sensing element can direct airflow towards or away from the wire by a different amount than the factory airbox. These changes need to be accounted for in the transfer function inside the ECU so that we can accurately turn a raw (Hz) signal from the MAF into a useful airflow (g/s) number that the ECU can work with for fuel, spark, and torque.
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So the MAF is not just a simple linear function of total air? Just by changing routing, pipe diameters, etc changes the airflow which can change the characterization of the response curve which would require recalibrating?
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If the airflow was perfectly laminar through the tube at the sensing element then it would work that way. Issue is most intakes outside of stock are not and need calibration. LTFT/STFT take care of any + - deviations in the stock tune.
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So the MAF is not just a simple linear function of total air? Just by changing routing, pipe diameters, etc changes the airflow which can change the characterization of the response curve which would require recalibrating?
Correct, for the most part. It's not linear (usually a curve fit), but it does indeed reflect the characteristics of the the piping AND the sensor itself.
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TYPICALLY if you change your intake read area by 5% you can multiply the curve by 5% and be pretty dead on. This is how many CAI "increase your hp" because they increase the area without telling the ECU and thus - leans it out at WOT by the same %.

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Originally Posted by Apocolipse
TYPICALLY if you change your intake read area by 5% you can multiply the curve by 5% and be pretty dead on. This is how many CAI "increase your hp" because they increase the area without telling the ECU and thus - leans it out at WOT by the same %.
My stock program was supper rich at WOT (11.5). So 5% leaner would have brought things closer to where it really needed to be(12.6).

MAF works by measuring the current it takes to heat a wire to x temp. More air flowing buy it the more current it takes to keep the wire at temp. So there are some mathematical gyrations that must occur to turn that into CFM. I can easily see how changing things could throw everything off.

Also my stock MAF curve was not accurate to what was really flowing. Close enough for stock tune with super conservative WOT AFR. Tuning with a Wide-band fixed all that.

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What intake were you running? I found the stock intake and halltech 103 to both be extremely accurate. Added 4% to the halltech to bring it to 0 which is approx the increase in read area from stock.
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Originally Posted by Orion2011
My stock program was supper rich at WOT (11.5). So 5% leaner would have brought things closer to where it really needed to be(12.6).
Just because you think it's "super rich" doesn't mean the MAF is wrong. The factory calibration runs richer for component protection, so you really need to compare actual AFR to commanded ratio and work from there.

MAF works by measuring the current it takes to heat a wire to x temp. More air flowing buy it the more current it takes to keep the wire at temp. So there are some mathematical gyrations that must occur to turn that into CFM. I can easily see how changing things could throw everything off.
It does NOT calculate CFM anywhere in there. g/sec is MASS flow, not volume flow. The MASS air sensor measures this directly based on the mass (number of molecules) hitting the heated wire and making a comparison to another temp sensor in the unit. But yes, changing how the airflow impacts the wire (vs flowing through other parts of the housing) from plumbing changes can have a large impact on the signal sent to the ECU from the same actual airflow.

My experience has been that factory MAFs are within 2% of calibration values when run on a flow bench with the entire stock airbox and plumbing attached.

Also my stock MAF curve was not accurate to what was really flowing. Close enough for stock tune with super conservative WOT AFR. Tuning with a Wide-band fixed all that.
Again, just because the vehicle is "running rich" doesn't necessarily mean the MAF is wrong unless you have changed the housing/plumbing around it. If that's the case, the tuner should know better and should have adjusted the MAF curve to match the new induction hardware upon installation.

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Originally Posted by TurboLX
The sensing element on a MAF only measures a small percentage of the actual air going through the entire housing/pipe. If you change the relationship between number of molecules actually hitting the hot wire element in the sensor and the total number of molecules flowing through the open area, you have changed the response curve for the sensor as it is reported to the ECU. Even a change in the pipes upstream of the sensing element can direct airflow towards or away from the wire by a different amount than the factory airbox. These changes need to be accounted for in the transfer function inside the ECU so that we can accurately turn a raw (Hz) signal from the MAF into a useful airflow (g/s) number that the ECU can work with for fuel, spark, and torque.
This.

I wondered about this for quite a while.. it was like, you don't "calibrate" a MAP sensor or a fuel pressure sensor, why do you need to calibrate something that measures airflow?

You've already answered why, just glad to hear someone else confirm what I believed to be true.
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