Lingenfelter package
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Lingenfelter package
Ive always had and been around european cars. Im about 2 weeks away from purschasing a c6. I was looking at the lingenfelter package http://www.lingenfelter.com/pack_cor_c6_366.htm and was wondering what peoples opinions on the company were. And if its worth the 7k for the hp. Plus i would probably drop the body kit on it... and the exhaust.
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From: laguna niguel ca
allblackc6
It's 500 crank HP, That's 425 RWHP. The difference between LPE and CARteck is that carteck's making more HP than LPE, but at what cost in driveability. If you look at carteck's cam specs you'll see long durations and tight LSA's. Giving great HP numbers, there not really daily drivers.
There drag cars. LPE gives you not so much HP but enough to get the job done well and still have a daily driver. Remember, LPE does this through the stock exhaust and cats,with corsa cat backs. There both good systems you've just got to decide what you really want and what you're willing to live with. As for the 160 stat, alot has been written about them. I've run them in my C5 and now my C6. I tore my c5 apart at 60000 miles and it was clean, no build up of anything. My oil temps run at 199-203 on the road. A little higher in town. My coollant temp with the 160 is 178-183 Degrees. So it's a matter of choice.
Andy G.
There drag cars. LPE gives you not so much HP but enough to get the job done well and still have a daily driver. Remember, LPE does this through the stock exhaust and cats,with corsa cat backs. There both good systems you've just got to decide what you really want and what you're willing to live with. As for the 160 stat, alot has been written about them. I've run them in my C5 and now my C6. I tore my c5 apart at 60000 miles and it was clean, no build up of anything. My oil temps run at 199-203 on the road. A little higher in town. My coollant temp with the 160 is 178-183 Degrees. So it's a matter of choice.
Andy G.
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To answer your question about LPE: they are the quintessential tuner for corvettes. John started modifying the chevy small block over 30 years ago - they do it all - superchargers, turbos, nitrous, N/A, strokers etc. etc. They usually lead the industry in firsts - this is due to their relentless pursuit of excellence. LPE's packages perform as advertised, and do so reliably for many years to come. How many other tuners offer a warranty of 2 years/ 24K miles? Not too many. There are others that are good tuners, but will they stand behind their product? Some do. Some offer excuses. Good luck on your decision.
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From: CA
Originally Posted by JFTaylor
At 6K it's a good deal. I'd be leery of the smaller pulley and the 160 deg T-Stat
one of our fine technologists can enlighten me.
The cooling capacity of an engine's cooling system
seems to me to depend on the surface area of the
cooling liquid in contact with engine surfaces, the rate
at which it flows through the engine, the volume of
coolant, and the airflow through the radiator.
If a given engine dissipates enough heat that a given
cooling system keeps it to a temp around, say 200
degrees, with the thermostat fully open, how can
changing the thermostat lower the operating temp
at all?
Doesn't it just open sooner?
Put more simply, if my car's oil and coolant temps
are around 200 degrees during normal operation with
a 185 degree thermostat, how can a 160 degree
thermostat lower this? Both would be fully open during
normal operating conditions and the temp of the
engine will depend on the load and the cooling
capacity of the cooling system, not the thermostat,
n'est ce pas?
Pat
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From: Castle Rock CO
St. Jude Donor '15
Originally Posted by catpat8000
Here's something I've never understood so perhaps
one of our fine technologists can enlighten me.
The cooling capacity of an engine's cooling system
seems to me to depend on the surface area of the
cooling liquid in contact with engine surfaces, the rate
at which it flows through the engine, the volume of
coolant, and the airflow through the radiator.
If a given engine dissipates enough heat that a given
cooling system keeps it to a temp around, say 200
degrees, with the thermostat fully open, how can
changing the thermostat lower the operating temp
at all?
Doesn't it just open sooner?
Put more simply, if my car's oil and coolant temps
are around 200 degrees during normal operation with
a 185 degree thermostat, how can a 160 degree
thermostat lower this? Both would be fully open during
normal operating conditions and the temp of the
engine will depend on the load and the cooling
capacity of the cooling system, not the thermostat,
n'est ce pas?
Pat
one of our fine technologists can enlighten me.
The cooling capacity of an engine's cooling system
seems to me to depend on the surface area of the
cooling liquid in contact with engine surfaces, the rate
at which it flows through the engine, the volume of
coolant, and the airflow through the radiator.
If a given engine dissipates enough heat that a given
cooling system keeps it to a temp around, say 200
degrees, with the thermostat fully open, how can
changing the thermostat lower the operating temp
at all?
Doesn't it just open sooner?
Put more simply, if my car's oil and coolant temps
are around 200 degrees during normal operation with
a 185 degree thermostat, how can a 160 degree
thermostat lower this? Both would be fully open during
normal operating conditions and the temp of the
engine will depend on the load and the cooling
capacity of the cooling system, not the thermostat,
n'est ce pas?
Pat
Todd
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From: Imperial Beach CA
Originally Posted by WhiteDiamond
You are on track with this thinking. This issue really doesn't come into play for those in the southern states of the US. You don't really get a winter down here, but in the northern states you do. It is very possible with dramatic drops in temperature, you could push the operating temperature of the engine down considerably. Using a 160 thermo is just too cold for street engines and leads to other wear and oil related issues.
Todd
Todd
That's twice I agree you, must be Miller time 
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Originally Posted by andreas g.
It's 500 crank HP, That's 425 RWHP. The difference between LPE and CARteck is that carteck's making more HP than LPE, but at what cost in driveability. If you look at carteck's cam specs you'll see long durations and tight LSA's. Giving great HP numbers, there not really daily drivers.
There drag cars. LPE gives you not so much HP but enough to get the job done well and still have a daily driver. Remember, LPE does this through the stock exhaust and cats,with corsa cat backs. There both good systems you've just got to decide what you really want and what you're willing to live with. As for the 160 stat, alot has been written about them. I've run them in my C5 and now my C6. I tore my c5 apart at 60000 miles and it was clean, no build up of anything. My oil temps run at 199-203 on the road. A little higher in town. My coollant temp with the 160 is 178-183 Degrees. So it's a matter of choice.
Andy G.
There drag cars. LPE gives you not so much HP but enough to get the job done well and still have a daily driver. Remember, LPE does this through the stock exhaust and cats,with corsa cat backs. There both good systems you've just got to decide what you really want and what you're willing to live with. As for the 160 stat, alot has been written about them. I've run them in my C5 and now my C6. I tore my c5 apart at 60000 miles and it was clean, no build up of anything. My oil temps run at 199-203 on the road. A little higher in town. My coollant temp with the 160 is 178-183 Degrees. So it's a matter of choice.
Andy G.
I believe it said 500 BHP. Meaning back-wheel HP or Brake HP, which would be somewhere around 650 crank HP.
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From: Md
Originally Posted by ALLBlackC6
I believe it said 500 BHP. Meaning back-wheel HP or Brake HP, which would be somewhere around 650 crank HP.
Sorry....Brake Horsepower is taken at the crank. Not the rear wheels.
Pro
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From: CA
Originally Posted by ALLBlackC6
I believe it said 500 BHP. Meaning back-wheel HP or Brake HP, which would be somewhere around 650 crank HP.
measurements are taken. Brake horsepower simply
means hp is computed based on applying a brake to
the source and measuring torque against that brake,
then computing hp from the measured torque.
Rear wheel hp and flywheel hp are different because there
are losses in the drivetrain.
For measured results, I think it is safe to assume both
rear wheel hp and flywheel hp are "brake" hp.
Pat
Drifting
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From: Denver Colorado
Originally Posted by ALLBlackC6
I believe it said 500 BHP. Meaning back-wheel HP or Brake HP, which would be somewhere around 650 crank HP.
Burning Brakes
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From: Vernon British Columbia
St. Jude Donor '05
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Ligenfelter is God for Corvettes, hahaha I mean if they were still doing Ligenfelter C3s, Ida bought one instead of the 72. You cant go wrong with them, the price, the quality, its a worthwhile investment.
Team Owner
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From: This city NEVER sleeps! Frank's back yard!
Originally Posted by WhiteDiamond
You are on track with this thinking. This issue really doesn't come into play for those in the southern states of the US. You don't really get a winter down here, but in the northern states you do. It is very possible with dramatic drops in temperature, you could push the operating temperature of the engine down considerably. Using a 160 thermo is just too cold for street engines and leads to other wear and oil related issues.
Todd
Todd
Where's the proof for this statement?
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Originally Posted by TetraU
Even if it's rear wheel HP as you suggested, it would still make the crank HP somewhere closer to 600~625hp, rather than 650hp. With the mod in question, there is no way you can get 650 crank hp. Looks like your math is way off.
There wasn't any math involved, I took a guess and happened to be within 25 HP, not too bad, do you feel better now that you pointed this out to me for the third time in this short thread?