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Terribly sorry you think the analysis is BS however it is based on fact and nothing but. I have been in this business for years, well before the advent of runflats and this kind of damage is indicative of lack of wheel support.
Of those 9 flats? How many miles did you run on 0psi and over what type of road? Also where do you live? Are the road conditions perfect like they are in southern california? Because here in NY, driving on a runflat ensures at least a new front suspension. I wish we all could live in california where salt does not rip up the roads and there are no potholes you could fish in.
The BS came from the comparitive you did. Take 4 non runflats and let the air out of them and see how far you go. Two stories, one my friends has an 03 Z06, ask him about his trip to AZ. He called from his cell when he could get service saying that the repair kit is as worthless as **** on a boar pig. A nail caused a flat at speed in the fast lane Tore up sidewall before he could get off road. 80 mile flat bed new tire and nearly $800 less in his pocket. Two, Barstoe 11 at night tire goes down in fast lane, damn those fast lanes, sidewall lets go taking rim and front fender with it. It was a 2000 with some off the wall after market tire that was recommended by someone on this forum.
Everyone has to make this decision from his/her perspective. During the last 5 years I have been stranded with a flat tire exactly 0; never. So, I decided that a portable pump, a plug kit, and a cell phone give me all the comfort I need, in order to consider much better tire alternatives than the OE runflats, but not in 19".
Add an $9.00 hydraulic jack (real tiny one, easily fits in one of the back wells) and a large power bar with a 13 MM socket and your in business!!
(a 150 torque wrench can be substitued for the power bar--all available from Harbor Freight) Chances are you will never use any of the items. Better safe than sorry!!
I just replaced my stock GY's on the C5 with Michelin PS All Season runflats. So far, pretty happy with them. (Not. See second edit.)
Why stay with r/f's? Three reasons. 1) Occasionally I get a little speedy, and the peace of mind from knowing that I *cannot* have a blowout helps a little. 2) Don't want to carry a repair kit, and don't really want to change a tire on the roadside. Ask Bill Cosby about that, his only son was killed doing exactly that. Besides, I've changed enough tires in my 38 years to last me a lifetime. 3) You can actually get a little more wear out of the tires, knowing that if they go kablooey the sidewalls will support them long enough to get home and order from Tire Rack. Wore the GY's bald and with nylon showing before replacing them. Got nearly 30K miles out of them, and the fronts went before the rears due to relative restraint concerning burnouts, but not quite so much restraint in corners...
Why go All-Season? I'm in Mobile, AL. We get more rain than Seattle. And my car is a daily driver. Yes, I know the performance is not quite as good as some others, but performance is useless if you're hydroplaning.
As an aside, and somewhat OT, the active handling really helped the other day as I was driving home. There was 1" of water standing on the Bayway (8 mile long bridge over Mobile Bay) due to getting something like 8" of rain in 24 hours, and I hadn't quite gotten around to replacing the rears yet. I could feel the AH cutting back the power every time I'd go over an expansion joint and unload the suspension somewhat. Without it I'd probably have spun right off the bridge at the first joint. Needless to say, my PS A/S's are now on the rear too.
Edit: I just found another vette site (the corvette action center) and this thread made me curious so I was reading tire posts there. Apparently a r/f *can* blow out, though it is much less of a problem than a regular tire. The guy who posted blew one at 95mph and had essentially no damage, and was able to drive 120 miles to a facility. So I still stand by my post, though maybe with a wee bit more worry.
Yet another edit: At the risk of becoming the "long thread guy" don't know if anyone is still keeping up with this one, but must recant my former eval of PS A/S tires. Got it up to speed today and those are some floaty bastards. Not sure if they're connected to the road as well as the stock GY R/F's, but they sure don't feel like it... Would still rather retain R/F's but maybe will try Kumho next time.
Last edited by Lerxst2112; Apr 27, 2005 at 08:10 PM.
Goodrich makes an exact size OEM replacment for the C6 Z51, but with a Y speed rating instead of the Z, and no runflat. I carry a small compressor and a couple of cans of flat repair aerosol, just like on my Mini Cooper. The ride, traction, and tire wear are impressive so far.
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Your flat tire record is absolutely amazing!
To what do you ascribe this success?
Paying enough attention to driving that I see hazards before I hit them, and knowing what lanes besides me are not occupied, I can avoid 99.44% of the hazards. My wife, on the other hand, looses aobut 1 tire per year to road hazards, and we driver the same streets!
Paying enough attention to driving that I see hazards before I hit them, and knowing what lanes besides me are not occupied, I can avoid 99.44% of the hazards. My wife, on the other hand, looses aobut 1 tire per year to road hazards, and we driver the same streets!
Wow!
I have never seen or even looked for those screws on the road!
You must have incredible vision!
Goodrich makes an exact size OEM replacment for the C6 Z51, but with a Y speed rating instead of the Z, and no runflat. I carry a small compressor and a couple of cans of flat repair aerosol, just like on my Mini Cooper. The ride, traction, and tire wear are impressive so far.
Not to hijack the thread...
But, how do you like the Mini?
I'm looking to get one for my daughter.
From the test results that I have seen, from sources like the TireRack, all-season tires don't seem to perform as well as the best highpro summers tires, like the Mich PS2s, in the wet stuff. So you appear to be giving up some grip in everything but snow and colder temps.
What kind of tire do you want? All Season, dry only for performance, longer life?
Originally Posted by Alex Levy
FLAME SUIT ON:
To me, Runflats are nothing more then a marketing tool. Everyone here is so incredibly **** about their cars, wiping them with baby diapers and probably trading your children for the next piece of chrome. I find is absolutely astounding that anyone would ever drive on a Runflat tire knowing its deflated and think for a second that the first bump or tiny hole you hit isnt going to completely destroy your rim and possibly your front end/bumper.
Want proof? Here are some runflats for you SP 9000 DSP's..
These wheels are BBS RS-GT's.. Forged and stronger then our OEM wheels.. driving at 25mph on runflats (because they are supposed to be good right?)
Wrong:
Thats right.. 2 of the front wheels are destroyed.. 4500 dollars down the drain because the owner trusted the marketing crapola about runflats being "Driveable".
People, save yourselves some money! Get a 10 dollar plug kit, a 25 dollar cigarette lighter compressor and keep it in your trunk.. its better then destroying your car.
-Alex
The above picture is a good example of disadvantages of having low profile tires. (stick with the stronger factory wheel and dump those aftermarket ones)
(Keep it factory GM and you will save yourself alot of trouble on everything in the long run and you won't have to worry as much about reliability)
As you can see on low profile tires there are more rim than rubber/tire yes yes I know they handle better but they ride harder, your chances of damaging your rims are higher on the street or even scraping the sidewalk when parking but we are stuck with them as that is what the engineers designed for the Corvette just like other brands and makes of performance automobiles.
I don't know with this C-6 factory Goodyear stock tire ...it seems noisy to me if going to non-run flats be more quiet? Are there any other advantages to going to non-run flats? Or perhaps they make a more quieter run flat tire? But which company makes quiet runflats?
Goodrich makes an exact size OEM replacment for the C6 Z51, but with a Y speed rating instead of the Z, and no runflat. I carry a small compressor and a couple of cans of flat repair aerosol, just like on my Mini Cooper. The ride, traction, and tire wear are impressive so far.
Some people are not aware that a Y rating is almost always better than a Z. The story goes that Z used to be the fastest rating, rated for 149mph+. That was before production cars (read: vettes, also porsches etc.) could go *way* faster than that. So they stuck the X(? i think) and Y (for sure) ratings in the scale. Y is good for 186mph+. No, it doesn't make sense alphabetically. But believe it or not I had to explain this crap to a *TIRE DEALER* who tried to tell me a Y rating was good for 300MPH! Once I got over his IQ being low profile, I figured out he got the metric rating confused with the standard. But doesn't anybody with any sense know that nothing will hit 300 unless it's running on jet fuel on the salt flats?
Can't believe this thread is still alive, but since it is, an update on the PS A/S tires. After some road time and a little less air pressure than they were installed with, they've settled down quite a bit Wouldn't call them "floaty bastards" now. More like "mediocre bastards". Sort of tolerable. They're definitely not as good as the stock GY RF's on dry pavement. Haven't gotten them wet yet.
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