Tire Spin?
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From: AZ Desert
Tire Spin?
I ordered a C6 coupe and took delivery earlier this year.
MX0 Automatic Transmission
F55 Magnetic Selective Ride Control
G90 Axle, 3.15:1 Performance Ratio
What type of tire spin should I expect with Traction Control off?
I did not foot brake but did a few WOT starts from a dead stop. The tires would barely brake traction.
I tried it a few times on my 400' cement drive and managed to leave a 10' patch but nothing excessive. I know Traction Control is operating as a tried it with it engaged and it just chirped the tires.
This was on a hot surface as the ambient temp was over 100º
I understand wheelspin is a bad thing and the C6 is not a drag ship but expected more off the line wheelspin from posts I have read.
Thanks,
John
MX0 Automatic Transmission
F55 Magnetic Selective Ride Control
G90 Axle, 3.15:1 Performance Ratio
What type of tire spin should I expect with Traction Control off?
I did not foot brake but did a few WOT starts from a dead stop. The tires would barely brake traction.
I tried it a few times on my 400' cement drive and managed to leave a 10' patch but nothing excessive. I know Traction Control is operating as a tried it with it engaged and it just chirped the tires.
This was on a hot surface as the ambient temp was over 100º
I understand wheelspin is a bad thing and the C6 is not a drag ship but expected more off the line wheelspin from posts I have read.
Thanks,
John
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From: AZ Desert
Originally Posted by crabman
Turn off traction control completely and give it a good powerbrake. Youll lose plenty of tread.
I figured powerbraking would increase off the line tire spin. 2500 RPM? What is the flash point of the stock converter?
Just figured it would roast them without powerbraking on cement?
Thanks,
John
Drifting
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From: Ft. Liquordale Florida
@ $400 a tire for the GoodYear Supercar EMT's, figure about $5.00 per foot of "tirespin". 
How much do you REALLY wanna spin these anyway? The object is NOT to spin - every time I do (strictly by accident now, mind you
), the little cash register in my head goes CHA-CHING!
heh heh...
Rick
How much do you REALLY wanna spin these anyway? The object is NOT to spin - every time I do (strictly by accident now, mind you
), the little cash register in my head goes CHA-CHING!heh heh...
Rick
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The answer is in the 100 degree temperature. This kills horsepower, and the hotter tires and road surface hook better.
On all the C5 & C6 Corvettes I have had, there is a big difference in how much it spins the tires from winter to summer.
On all the C5 & C6 Corvettes I have had, there is a big difference in how much it spins the tires from winter to summer.
Burning Brakes
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From: Alexandria VA
Originally Posted by crabman
Turn off traction control completely and give it a good powerbrake. Youll lose plenty of tread.
#91 with 100 miles #111 less than 500 miles.
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Last edited by winstonc; May 22, 2005 at 08:51 AM.
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From: Orwigsburg Pa.
Originally Posted by jschindler
The answer is in the 100 degree temperature. This kills horsepower, and the hotter tires and road surface hook better.
On all the C5 & C6 Corvettes I have had, there is a big difference in how much it spins the tires from winter to summer.
On all the C5 & C6 Corvettes I have had, there is a big difference in how much it spins the tires from winter to summer.
This past winter when the road was cold I was a fish-tailing mess without tc/ah and when engaged the tc was killing the accelaration as it was always killing the power.
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From: Whidbey Island WA
Originally Posted by orangec6
The trick to quick 1/4 miles times is to not spin the tires. 12.56 -12.60 times below are for a stock C6 z51, auto & stock tires. Leaving at idle, zero wheel spin. Power brake if you want to run 12.8-13.1 like everyone else.
#91 with 100 miles #111 less than 500 miles.
TimeSlips:
http://www.3cinc.net/images/C6TimeSlip.gif
#91 with 100 miles #111 less than 500 miles.
TimeSlips:
http://www.3cinc.net/images/C6TimeSlip.gif
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From: AZ Desert
Originally Posted by crabman
Reading his post I understood it to say essentially "how do I fry the tires and is my car normal because I expected more wheelspin?". Not how to launch the car for maximum benefit in the quarter. He even says he knows wheelspin is bad....
John
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Originally Posted by blonzz
Off completely? Active Handling as well?
I figured powerbraking would increase off the line tire spin. 2500 RPM? What is the flash point of the stock converter?
Just figured it would roast them without powerbraking on cement?
Thanks,
John
I figured powerbraking would increase off the line tire spin. 2500 RPM? What is the flash point of the stock converter?
Just figured it would roast them without powerbraking on cement?
Thanks,
John
Burning Brakes
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From: Alexandria VA
Originally Posted by crabman
Dont have now, been through many. Specially back when all I was trying to do was go fast in a straight line. How to do a good burnoff with one with one isnt exactly a well kept secret. 
You're right I didn't read the original question. Didn't mean to offend anyone.
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From: AZ Desert
Originally Posted by orangec6
Someone kept the secret from blonzz.
You're right I didn't read the original question. Didn't mean to offend anyone.
You're right I didn't read the original question. Didn't mean to offend anyone.
As crabman pointed out I just thought something might be wrong with my C6 since I had read about excessive wheelspin, fishtailing, hang on ect... with traction control turned off.
Just figured it would roast them without powerbraking on a cement surface.
John
Burning Brakes
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From: Alexandria VA
Thanks.
The only point I was trying to make was that if you couldn't figure it out and you have the a C6 Automatic. That someone that has never had a C6 automatic with torque management, first year for it, shouldn't be giving advice. That's all. Thanks again.
The only point I was trying to make was that if you couldn't figure it out and you have the a C6 Automatic. That someone that has never had a C6 automatic with torque management, first year for it, shouldn't be giving advice. That's all. Thanks again.
Racer
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From: AZ
Originally Posted by blonzz
I ordered a C6 coupe and took delivery earlier this year.
MX0 Automatic Transmission
F55 Magnetic Selective Ride Control
G90 Axle, 3.15:1 Performance Ratio
What type of tire spin should I expect with Traction Control off?
I did not foot brake but did a few WOT starts from a dead stop. The tires would barely brake traction.
I tried it a few times on my 400' cement drive and managed to leave a 10' patch but nothing excessive. I know Traction Control is operating as a tried it with it engaged and it just chirped the tires.
This was on a hot surface as the ambient temp was over 100º
I understand wheelspin is a bad thing and the C6 is not a drag ship but expected more off the line wheelspin from posts I have read.
Thanks,
John
MX0 Automatic Transmission
F55 Magnetic Selective Ride Control
G90 Axle, 3.15:1 Performance Ratio
What type of tire spin should I expect with Traction Control off?
I did not foot brake but did a few WOT starts from a dead stop. The tires would barely brake traction.
I tried it a few times on my 400' cement drive and managed to leave a 10' patch but nothing excessive. I know Traction Control is operating as a tried it with it engaged and it just chirped the tires.
This was on a hot surface as the ambient temp was over 100º
I understand wheelspin is a bad thing and the C6 is not a drag ship but expected more off the line wheelspin from posts I have read.
Thanks,
John
I posted something similar about 6 weeks ago and got a bunch of
from people about how I don't want tirespin. I understand what you are saying.Before I took delivery, I was reading threads about fishtailing and losing control at WOT. I was a bit worried, in fact, as to what I was getting into.
After break-in, I tried some WOT from a dead stop and couldn't even get the back end to break out. I tried it in Comp mode and with all systems off, still not back end tirespin. I was really surprised, and I was afraid it was my car that may have something wrong with it.
I think the traction of the big meats on the back of this car really keep it planted, which is great. I think it is normal and the people who are having traction problems are probably Z51 owners driving in cold weather.
Chris
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From: Whidbey Island WA
Originally Posted by orangec6
Thanks.
The only point I was trying to make was that if you couldn't figure it out and you have the a C6 Automatic. That someone that has never had a C6 automatic with torque management, first year for it, shouldn't be giving advice. That's all. Thanks again.
The only point I was trying to make was that if you couldn't figure it out and you have the a C6 Automatic. That someone that has never had a C6 automatic with torque management, first year for it, shouldn't be giving advice. That's all. Thanks again.
