I live in so cal where the highest octane is 91. Since C-6's are tuned at the factory to run on 93, I decide to try a tank with an octane booster. I used 1 can of Torco in a full tank of gas. I figured that 1 can would up the octane by a little over 2 points clearing 93 easily. The improvement in HP is "seat of the pants" noticeable. I don't have a dyno in my butt but I'm guessing about a 10-15 hp improvement. I'd recommend trying it. I bought it at jbsblownc5.net Big difference for not much dough!

 

You are kidding of course, been there done that with both the C5 and C6. No effect on the C6 and actually dynoed the C5 and lost 18 rwhp.

I went in half on a 5 gallon can of it and still have some left you can have, just come get it.

 

Bad idea--seals at risk-fuel pump ect

 

No, you've got to be kidding!!!!

There are MANY MANY forum members that use Torco with great success, not to mention my 2.5 years of using it.

I don't push it that often, but I have quite a few repeat customers that KNOW it works.

I've read a few times about your unsuccessfull experience with Torco.

When mixing a 32 oz can with 10 gallons of 91 octane gas, you will get 96.5 octane. End of story!!

I spent $400 at the lab to prove this. See results on my website.

HP is in the tuning.....

I stood there and watched a C6 gain almost 15 RWHP on the dyno, by just adding some Torco. I may even have a vid of it if you'd like.

JB

http://www.jbsblownc5.net/html/torco1.html


*****Quick update, 10 years later***** Still using Torco with GREAT success!! See more at www.jbsblownc5.net

 

 

It's amazing how a little placebo grease improves the sensitivity of one's rearside.

 

I'd like to know how it increases HP. I dont get it.

This is from the how stuff works website
"The octane rating of gasoline tells you how much the fuel can be compressed before it spontaneously ignites. When gas ignites by compression rather than because of the spark from the spark plug, it causes knocking in the engine. Knocking can damage an engine, so it is not something you want to have happening. Lower-octane gas (like "regular" 87-octane gasoline) can handle the least amount of compression before igniting.

The compression ratio of your engine determines the octane rating of the gas you must use in the car. One way to increase the horsepower of an engine of a given displacement is to increase its compression ratio. So a "high-performance engine" has a higher compression ratio and requires higher-octane fuel. The advantage of a high compression ratio is that it gives your engine a higher horsepower rating for a given engine weight -- that is what makes the engine "high performance." The disadvantage is that the gasoline for your engine costs more.

The name "octane" comes from the following fact: When you take crude oil and "crack" it in a refinery, you end up getting hydrocarbon chains of different lengths. These different chain lengths can then be separated from each other and blended to form different fuels. For example, you may have heard of methane, propane and butane. All three of them are hydrocarbons. Methane has just a single carbon atom. Propane has three carbon atoms chained together. Butane has four carbon atoms chained together. Pentane has five, hexane has six, heptane has seven and octane has eight carbons chained together.

It turns out that heptane handles compression very poorly. Compress it just a little and it ignites spontaneously. Octane handles compression very well -- you can compress it a lot and nothing happens. Eighty-seven-octane gasoline is gasoline that contains 87-percent octane and 13-percent heptane (or some other combination of fuels that has the same performance of the 87/13 combination of octane/heptane). It spontaneously ignites at a given compression level, and can only be used in engines that do not exceed that compression ratio."

 

Higher octane rated fuel can take more spark advance, theoretically producing more HP.

 

Where do you get this stuff from?

 

Its amazing that people say things when they are clueless..or is it just called ignorant.

Do you really think that GM tunes each car for various Octane levels???? The difference between 91 and 93 is substantial. If you live in an area that sells 93 octane go put some mid grade in your car and come back and tell us how it runs. It would be the same for the people who live in areas that sell 91 octane putting 89 in. It would be the same for the guys who track their car not to use good gas on the track..do you think that is because they think it is a placebo...come on get a clue. The fact is when you don't get any KR you make more power. Higher octane resist detonation and therefore allows the car to make more power.

I have friends who purchased Hypertech Power Programmers back in the day. They installed the tune and their car would PING all over the place. Why??? It's speculative as to why, but in the area where the programmers are produced they had higher octane at the pump. I told the guy with the pinging problem, go put some octane boost in it..and see if it goes away..guess what it did. In the end he took the Hypertech out and got his money back..keeping the stock tune.

Here is some more proof and when you produce more power out of your car then some of the rest of us, you can come back and tell us what you did?


Down at A&As party...I had good ole 91 octane which seems to work OK for a measley 9# of boost pushing over 650hp on a hot day. Well Vette Magazine wanted to put some of the higher HP cars on the dyno for their coverage of the party and the cars that showed up. I hit Joel up for some Torco. I have to admit I was nervous (never used Torco before) considering the tune I had in the car for the 16# boost run which only yielded 870hp, was tuned on some Pump Sunoco 100 GT (sold at a local gas station). Well I dumped some Torco in the tank and managed to pull about 850hp on that dyno run with the AFR being 11.9 and ZERO KR. So if you don't think it works and that it is a placebo...you better get back to smokin crack.

The only point I am really trying to make, is that before you go bashing something, you should have some sort of understanding for that which you are talking about. Otherwise it is just Bull S hit.

 

Your post confuses me a bit, but I guess you're supporting the Torco.
OK, and I don't disagree, and I suspect it works.
My reference to placebo was in regard to the gentleman's ability to discern the 10-15 HP difference in a 400 HP automobile, with his coccyx.

 

I agree 100%. Not sure if I'm one of the crack smokers but I was commenting on the higher octane damaging my fuel pump statement.

However there is another fact that is the flip side of what you said. If you don't have any knock retard and there is no detonation then higher octane with its slower burn rate makes less horsepower.

I am also confused with Shinobi's post. first it says you had 650 rwhp then you had 870 and it dropped to 850?? So anyway, you tuned on 100gt...is that 100 octane or 93 and you lost 20 hp on torco...assuming a lower octane??? or was it 93 and you added higher octane and lost 20hp....I can't understand if you are for or against octane. So how does losing 20hp on torco show octane is good or bad....do you have that reversed?....was it 850 and then you went to 870. You must have been in a rush. On a side note Andy built my motor too. Bet your car is sick to ride in!!

Hot rod magazine did this test on a car not pinging, misfiring, detonating,...ect and the car lost 5rwhp on higher octane...once the car is at a point that there is enough octane then higher octane results in less....otherwise I should start dumping in some 130 octane avgas from one of the planes in our hangar.

 

I agree. I have seen this stated in numerous articles. Higher octane actually produces less horsepower due to it's slower burn rate.

 

as long as there was no KR....then higher octane would definitely help.

Maybe auto-tap and such software doesnt catch the issues that the higher octane helps. Forced induction is a very different animal in that higher cylinder pressures make the combustion mixture more prone to octane sensitivity.

 

 

Why then does my GM manual suggest running the car on 93 Octane? When Chevrolet rated the car's performance at 400 hp, I 'd be surprised if they ran on 91 octane trucked in from California. 91 octane has to pull timing and hence reduce hp.

 

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www.jbsblownc5.net. Try some. It actually works!

 

If you are running 91 Oct. on a hot day I'll bet your car is pulling timing via the knock sensors. You only hear spark knock when the computer has already pulled all the timing advance that it can.

Torco adds Octane rating but it's expensive. The last case I bought was $88 for 6 cans. 1 can (32 oz.) in 20 gallons of 93 Oct. will bring it to 97 Oct. Should extrapolate to 1 can in 20 gal. of 91 Oct. to 95 Oct. $15 a can for 20 gallons = 75 cents a gallon added cost. Makes sense only for dyno runs or race track use as an alternative to $5.00 a gallon lead free race fuel.

Another source; www.need4speedpower.com

 

I am not a chemist and have no experience with Torco. However, just doing some algebra, in order to raise the octane level of 20 gallons of gas from 91 to 93 by adding 1/2 gallon (32 oz) of stuff would require the additive to have the equivalent octane rating of 173. It seems difficult to believe that Torco or anything else really has that property.

Ira