Breathless Cold air Vortex or Halltech Stinger?
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Breathless Cold air Vortex or Halltech Stinger?
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Breathless Cold air Vortex or Halltech Stinger?
I have a C6 (haven't changes my sig yet) and I am looking at both packages.
Seems to me the Breathless cold air vortex would bring down more HP.
Am I right on, or am I off base?
Bruce1
Breathless Cold air Vortex or Halltech Stinger?
I have a C6 (haven't changes my sig yet) and I am looking at both packages.
Seems to me the Breathless cold air vortex would bring down more HP.
Am I right on, or am I off base?
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Your probably right,but then you have to worry about the water issue.Ram air setups will always yield more hp but at a cost.I just got my stinger intake today and will have before and after dyno results tomorrow evening or sunday.I live in south florida and drive my car daily,so I had to make the decision to not get a ram air due to all the rain down here.I would only consider a vortex if you drive your car on the weekends only or not in the rain.
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Originally Posted by billywallstreet73
Your probably right,but then you have to worry about the water issue.Ram air setups will always yield more hp but at a cost.I just got my stinger intake today and will have before and after dyno results tomorrow evening or sunday.I live in south florida and drive my car daily,so I had to make the decision to not get a ram air due to all the rain down here.I would only consider a vortex if you drive your car on the weekends only or not in the rain.
But I am in San Diego, we can go for 6 months without a drop of rain.
And I drive on the weekends mostly anyway.Based on this fact, I seem to like the Vortex!
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Breathless's site says it's OK to drive it in the rain, but not thru deep puddles...
All of SoFla is a "deep puddle" 7 months out of the year.
No shot at Ernie, but I'm not willing to risk water ingestion, or have to tip-toe around in the rain. This car is my daily driver, and I can't stay home, just cause it's wet out (thought the way people forget how to drive down here when it rains, I wish THEY would stay home).
Call Jim Hall, and ask him what he's got up his sleeve, and why he doesn't have a "rain scooper" yet. Or ask the guy here that spent $11K fixing his hydrolocked engine.
For a couple more ponies, I ain't willing to risk it myself...
Rick
All of SoFla is a "deep puddle" 7 months out of the year.
No shot at Ernie, but I'm not willing to risk water ingestion, or have to tip-toe around in the rain. This car is my daily driver, and I can't stay home, just cause it's wet out (thought the way people forget how to drive down here when it rains, I wish THEY would stay home).
Call Jim Hall, and ask him what he's got up his sleeve, and why he doesn't have a "rain scooper" yet. Or ask the guy here that spent $11K fixing his hydrolocked engine.
For a couple more ponies, I ain't willing to risk it myself...
Rick
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Originally Posted by SickRick
Breathless's site says it's OK to drive it in the rain, but not thru deep puddles...
All of SoFla is a "deep puddle" 7 months out of the year.
No shot at Ernie, but I'm not willing to risk water ingestion, or have to tip-toe around in the rain. This car is my daily driver, and I can't stay home, just cause it's wet out (thought the way people forget how to drive down here when it rains, I wish THEY would stay home).
Call Jim Hall, and ask him what he's got up his sleeve, and why he doesn't have a "rain scooper" yet. Or ask the guy here that spent $11K fixing his hydrolocked engine.
For a couple more ponies, I ain't willing to risk it myself...
Rick
All of SoFla is a "deep puddle" 7 months out of the year.
No shot at Ernie, but I'm not willing to risk water ingestion, or have to tip-toe around in the rain. This car is my daily driver, and I can't stay home, just cause it's wet out (thought the way people forget how to drive down here when it rains, I wish THEY would stay home).
Call Jim Hall, and ask him what he's got up his sleeve, and why he doesn't have a "rain scooper" yet. Or ask the guy here that spent $11K fixing his hydrolocked engine.
For a couple more ponies, I ain't willing to risk it myself...
Rick
But we just have fire in So.Cal.
And it wouldn't matter much which intake I used while the car was burning up.
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Time warp to 6 year ago...
Do you think Miller Lite's advantage is that it's less filling or that it tastes great?
j/k.
The reason I react this way is for almost an entire year on here when these came out for C5's this was a constant debate. Which made more HP, which sucked up more water etc. etc. etc. As far as remember it was a stalemate. Some claim H-lock issues, but who knows for sure.
All I can share is my personal experience with my 2 C5s. I've had the breathless on both. Made the power I was expecting (got about 20 rwhp from the intake/catback combo) and was happy.
I've driven through rain, heavy Texas downpours at times, and never had an issue PERSONALLY. The vortex is open but up above the level of the shroud. But, to be fair, I've never taken it swimming...
Do you think Miller Lite's advantage is that it's less filling or that it tastes great?
j/k.
The reason I react this way is for almost an entire year on here when these came out for C5's this was a constant debate. Which made more HP, which sucked up more water etc. etc. etc. As far as remember it was a stalemate. Some claim H-lock issues, but who knows for sure.
All I can share is my personal experience with my 2 C5s. I've had the breathless on both. Made the power I was expecting (got about 20 rwhp from the intake/catback combo) and was happy.
I've driven through rain, heavy Texas downpours at times, and never had an issue PERSONALLY. The vortex is open but up above the level of the shroud. But, to be fair, I've never taken it swimming...
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Believe me, I understand.
And I too have a Vortex on my C5.
And it works, just never checked power difference on a dyno.
You can keep the rain, while I seem to be headed for the vortex.
And I too have a Vortex on my C5.
And it works, just never checked power difference on a dyno.
You can keep the rain, while I seem to be headed for the vortex.
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Halltech is going to add a cold air/ram air addition to the current intake. He is not talking till he gets it done. Sounds like it might not be to far out and his intention was to make it a removeable device or have some kind of openable orfice to feed the intake. This for water concerns. As I said hes being pretty tightlipped about it till its closer to completion so Its difficult to comment on what it might bring to the table. One interesting thing is that so far everyone who has posted numbers for the halltech have shown a gain. First intake that can say that much on a C6. Still early in the game though. The honker looks pretty good too, have you checked that one out?
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Originally Posted by SickRick
Breathless's site says it's OK to drive it in the rain, but not thru deep puddles...
All of SoFla is a "deep puddle" 7 months out of the year.
No shot at Ernie, but I'm not willing to risk water ingestion, or have to tip-toe around in the rain. This car is my daily driver, and I can't stay home, just cause it's wet out (thought the way people forget how to drive down here when it rains, I wish THEY would stay home).
Call Jim Hall, and ask him what he's got up his sleeve, and why he doesn't have a "rain scooper" yet. Or ask the guy here that spent $11K fixing his hydrolocked engine.
For a couple more ponies, I ain't willing to risk it myself...
Rick
All of SoFla is a "deep puddle" 7 months out of the year.
No shot at Ernie, but I'm not willing to risk water ingestion, or have to tip-toe around in the rain. This car is my daily driver, and I can't stay home, just cause it's wet out (thought the way people forget how to drive down here when it rains, I wish THEY would stay home).
Call Jim Hall, and ask him what he's got up his sleeve, and why he doesn't have a "rain scooper" yet. Or ask the guy here that spent $11K fixing his hydrolocked engine.
For a couple more ponies, I ain't willing to risk it myself...
Rick
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Originally Posted by crabman
Halltech is going to add a cold air/ram air addition to the current intake. He is not talking till he gets it done. Sounds like it might not be to far out and his intention was to make it a removeable device or have some kind of openable orfice to feed the intake. This for water concerns. As I said hes being pretty tightlipped about it till its closer to completion so Its difficult to comment on what it might bring to the table. One interesting thing is that so far everyone who has posted numbers for the halltech have shown a gain. First intake that can say that much on a C6. Still early in the game though. The honker looks pretty good too, have you checked that one out?
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Originally Posted by crabman
Halltech is going to add a cold air/ram air addition to the current intake. He is not talking till he gets it done. Sounds like it might not be to far out and his intention was to make it a removeable device or have some kind of openable orfice to feed the intake. This for water concerns. As I said hes being pretty tightlipped about it till its closer to completion so Its difficult to comment on what it might bring to the table. One interesting thing is that so far everyone who has posted numbers for the halltech have shown a gain. First intake that can say that much on a C6. Still early in the game though. The honker looks pretty good too, have you checked that one out?
Also from what I understand the cold air addition can be added to the current Stinger so you will not have to wait on it or buy a new intake. I am very pleased with the Stinger on my C6.
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Originally Posted by bruce1
You mean the BlackWing?
No, the Callaway Honker. Its the same sort of design as the vortex. I have not seen any user dynos yet. They had claimed 15 the last time I went to their website but posted a dyno run showing 10 not too long ago. These are just getting out now so hopefully we will have some numbers from customers soon. No insult to BTW to Callaway, Halltech, Breathless, or anyone else but I like to see these things get installed on real world cars and show real world results from people like us before I feel good about saying a part is good for "X" amount of power. I have an odd suspicion that these things are all going to be pretty close when its all said and done and we are looking back on it. For that reason and I like induction sound I opted for the stinger. Didnt get much induction sound though
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Im dynoing my car today.I have the stinger in my trunk,so I will let everyone know my results before and after this evening.My car is stock except for bullets.Im actually leaving right now for the corvette dyno day down here in s. florida at kelly chevy.
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Originally Posted by billywallstreet73
Im dynoing my car today.I have the stinger in my trunk,so I will let everyone know my results before and after this evening.My car is stock except for bullets.Im actually leaving right now for the corvette dyno day down here in s. florida at kelly chevy.
Bruce
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Originally Posted by stanleyp
The Stinger.
On another forum, Jim Hall gave a daily update to his developing the Stinger. After following his story, there's only one intake system that I would trust now.
On another forum, Jim Hall gave a daily update to his developing the Stinger. After following his story, there's only one intake system that I would trust now.
They both have the knowledge and can produce HP. IMHO, the one which installs easily is the one I'll go with....................
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Your right, installation is important, but that extra HP is as well.
Tough call.... HP difference could be minimal, guess we will have to wait and see.
Thanks for your .02
Bruce
Tough call.... HP difference could be minimal, guess we will have to wait and see.
Thanks for your .02
Bruce
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Originally Posted by crabman
No, the Callaway Honker. Its the same sort of design as the vortex. I have not seen any user dynos yet. They had claimed 15 the last time I went to their website but posted a dyno run showing 10 not too long ago. These are just getting out now so hopefully we will have some numbers from customers soon. No insult to BTW to Callaway, Halltech, Breathless, or anyone else but I like to see these things get installed on real world cars and show real world results from people like us before I feel good about saying a part is good for "X" amount of power. I have an odd suspicion that these things are all going to be pretty close when its all said and done and we are looking back on it. For that reason and I like induction sound I opted for the stinger. Didnt get much induction sound though
BPP was there installing their units - big bucks, installed. Calloway was just showcasing theirs. I didn't see Jims, but I might have missed it.