RonZ's Tourqe Module Delete
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From: Houston, TX
Several people on this forum have said they are going to buy the other brand module. I have yet to see anyone report on how it works. I'm still curious to see some real life testimonials, with some kind of quantifiable measure of it's effectiveness.
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From: Ft. Liquordale Florida
Originally Posted by jschindler
Several people on this forum have said they are going to buy the other brand module. I have yet to see anyone report on how it works. I'm still curious to see some real life testimonials, with some kind of quantifiable measure of it's effectiveness.
I agree. "other brand module"... Heh heh.The curiousity extends now, more to WHY you would insert a hardware device that interrupts the control of the ABS system, and does other "super sekrit stuff", when this could (and should) be fixed in ECU programming?
Most tuners are now familiar with the parameters necessary to modify the intrusion of torque control (it appears they are just moving the "trigger" RPM up to 6,000 or higher). I just don't see how the "other brand module" can do this as effectively as modifying the programming that instigates it in the first place, PLUS I would still be very leery of anything that could fail, and disable a safety related system by doing so...
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Rick
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Zimmer's tuning
Though I don't know exactly how it is done, I can share results with Zimmers tuning.
Sets fuel maps.
Sets rev Limiter.
Cags gone.
Sets timing.
Sets idle. (after my cam install he raised my idle to correct some lope and smooth out the idle)
Lowers fan controls (low temp thermostat)
Eliminates TM (GM installs a back door program to reduce stress on the drivetrain at WOT by pulling timing between shifts. I always felt that the car laid down between shifts. Zimmer programs it out.) I really noticed this after the tune.
He also locks in the program and it is not detectable at the dealer (helpfull for warranty work)
From what I have read about LS2 edit and what Zimmer does, it is apples and oranges.
IMHO there are three great tuners in the country Graham with LPE, Ed Wright and Ron Zimmer. Most of the ls2 guys are still trying to figure it out.
I am not aware of any modules sold by Z-industries for TM, there would be no need for it, all done with the tuning.
Sets fuel maps.
Sets rev Limiter.
Cags gone.
Sets timing.
Sets idle. (after my cam install he raised my idle to correct some lope and smooth out the idle)
Lowers fan controls (low temp thermostat)
Eliminates TM (GM installs a back door program to reduce stress on the drivetrain at WOT by pulling timing between shifts. I always felt that the car laid down between shifts. Zimmer programs it out.) I really noticed this after the tune.
He also locks in the program and it is not detectable at the dealer (helpfull for warranty work)
From what I have read about LS2 edit and what Zimmer does, it is apples and oranges.
IMHO there are three great tuners in the country Graham with LPE, Ed Wright and Ron Zimmer. Most of the ls2 guys are still trying to figure it out.
I am not aware of any modules sold by Z-industries for TM, there would be no need for it, all done with the tuning.
Last edited by Fredo; Jul 17, 2005 at 09:03 PM.
Drifting
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Got my tune by mail from Ron Z and the most noticable and welcome improvement was the elimination of the torque management between shifts.Car feels much faster just because of that.Not sure if the ls2edit has figured than one out yet. 
PS And of course no CAGS,lower fan temps,and smooth as silk acceleration.
PS And of course no CAGS,lower fan temps,and smooth as silk acceleration.
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Originally Posted by Fredo
Though I don't know exactly how it is done, I can share results with Zimmers tuning.
Sets fuel maps.
Sets rev Limiter.
Cags gone.
Sets timing.
Sets idle. (after my cam install he raised my idle to correct some lope and smooth out the idle)
Lowers fan controls (low temp thermostat)
Eliminates TM (GM installs a back door program to reduce stress on the drivetrain at WOT by pulling timing between shifts. I always felt that the car laid down between shifts. Zimmer programs it out.) I really noticed this after the tune.
He also locks in the program and it is not detectable at the dealer (helpfull for warranty work)
From what I have read about LS2 edit and what Zimmer does, it is apples and oranges.
IMHO there are three great tuners in the country Graham with LPE, Ed Wright and Ron Zimmer. Most of the ls2 guys are still trying to figure it out.
I am not aware of any modules sold by Z-industries for TM, there would be no need for it, all done with the tuning.
Sets fuel maps.
Sets rev Limiter.
Cags gone.
Sets timing.
Sets idle. (after my cam install he raised my idle to correct some lope and smooth out the idle)
Lowers fan controls (low temp thermostat)
Eliminates TM (GM installs a back door program to reduce stress on the drivetrain at WOT by pulling timing between shifts. I always felt that the car laid down between shifts. Zimmer programs it out.) I really noticed this after the tune.
He also locks in the program and it is not detectable at the dealer (helpfull for warranty work)
From what I have read about LS2 edit and what Zimmer does, it is apples and oranges.
IMHO there are three great tuners in the country Graham with LPE, Ed Wright and Ron Zimmer. Most of the ls2 guys are still trying to figure it out.
I am not aware of any modules sold by Z-industries for TM, there would be no need for it, all done with the tuning.
Programming sounds like the smart way to do it. Especially since it doesn't involve the elimination of TC/AH.
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From: Short Hills, NJ
Originally Posted by SickRick
The curiousity extends now, more to WHY you would insert a hardware device that interrupts the control of the ABS system, and does other "super sekrit stuff", when this could (and should) be fixed in ECU programming?
Most tuners are now familiar with the parameters necessary to modify the intrusion of torque control (it appears they are just moving the "trigger" RPM up to 6,000 or higher). I just don't see how the "other brand module" can do this as effectively as modifying the programming that instigates it in the first place, PLUS I would still be very leery of anything that could fail, and disable a safety related system by doing so...
Most tuners are now familiar with the parameters necessary to modify the intrusion of torque control (it appears they are just moving the "trigger" RPM up to 6,000 or higher). I just don't see how the "other brand module" can do this as effectively as modifying the programming that instigates it in the first place, PLUS I would still be very leery of anything that could fail, and disable a safety related system by doing so...
Originally Posted by WS6JJP
i agree,i wonder why he would even be selling a "module". Doesnt he program his LS2's using hex editing?? cant it all be taken out that way?
Drifting
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From: Ft. Liquordale Florida
Originally Posted by LS1LT1
The answer is quite simple actually (and has been answered before)...LS2 Edit does not yet allow all torque management tables/parameters to be altered/reduced/deleted as of yet, it could be months, even years before one utilize LS2 Edit (or HP Tuners etc.) to accomplish what these modules can do right now.
From the way people are describing this (Fredo, correct me if I'm wrong), the TM mod is being done thru ECU programming - NOT by cutting into wiring harnesses, and placing a "black box" between the ECU & ABS module.
Again, the main concern here, is a mod that could potentially disable a safety related system, either by modifying the input signals to it, or worse yet - failing, and not providing any of the proper input signals to the ABS system. The OTHER issue (that is and always has been the issue), is how an external module modifies the "pulled timing/fuel curves" that are also how TM supposedly affects performance...
Rick
edit:
Actually, let's take this one step further...
LS1LT1;
1 - Do YOU own a C6 with a Cartek Torque Module?
2 - If not, have YOU extensively driven one?
If not, then you really have no first hand experience with which to attest the veracity of your claims...
Last edited by SickRick; Jul 18, 2005 at 12:50 PM.
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From: Daytona Beach FL
Originally Posted by billywallstreet73
How do you go about doing the mail order or how can z be contacted and how much did this cost?
http://www.z-industries.com/zcontact.htm
Bob
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From: Short Hills, NJ
Originally Posted by SickRick
LS1LT1;
1 - Do YOU own a C6 with a Cartek Torque Module?
1 - Do YOU own a C6 with a Cartek Torque Module?
Originally Posted by SickRick
2 - If not, have YOU extensively driven one?
Nearly a 4/10ths ET reduction in my track times in two different cars I drove (roughly 7 passes each) with the Cartek Torque Management Elimination Module switched on versus off.
It works.
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Originally Posted by Scissors
So it's a programmer and not an in-place module, right?
Programming sounds like the smart way to do it. Especially since it doesn't involve the elimination of TC/AH.
Programming sounds like the smart way to do it. Especially since it doesn't involve the elimination of TC/AH.