Dead Battery Again Please Help
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From: Arizona
Originally Posted by EB20003
The few cars that have been hit by this will fade into the sunset and it will fall by the wayside, as it should. This does not appear to be the issue that many are trying to make it out to be. Yes it does exist, but it hardly appears to be a crisis.
Even atheists have been known to come to the right conclusions, but for the wrong reasons.
I have no idea what that means, but I'm leaving it because it sounds like something someone important once said.
We believers are pleading with the powers that be, not to abandon us in our time of need!
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Forgot to mention two important facts
1 The battery was replaced after the second incident with a new fully charged battery
2 I had three more incidents in three weeks after the new battery. The cold would be a factor if something was draining the battery. I've fixed cars all my life and there is a problem. It could be bad batteries but more likely with the lockout device on the shifter.
2 I had three more incidents in three weeks after the new battery. The cold would be a factor if something was draining the battery. I've fixed cars all my life and there is a problem. It could be bad batteries but more likely with the lockout device on the shifter.
Racer
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This is an interesting thread, I agree with EB on a lot of points, especially about panic, people running out to buy priority start, demanding pulley changes when it hasn't happened to them. Also, if you note the case where priority start kicked in wasn't DBS, the battery still had enough power to start the car, it is just that priority start tripped...
As far as how often it happens, there is no way it is even close to 25%. If it happened to 1/4 cars it would be pretty easy to reproduce and find a vehicle that had the problem. This is definitely not the case, if you look at the thread where GM was looking for cars, they wouldn't have to do that if it happened on 25% of cars, they have their own fleet. They would see it at the plant, when delivering vehicles, it would be everywhere. A problem that occurs on 5% of cars is a huge deal these days to any automaker. Also, remember forums are flooded by people with problems and people with new cars. When I first got my C6 I was on here all the time, I stop in less and less frequently, usually to try to help out, but I've had no problems with my car. As time goes by I check it out less and less, but if I had a problem, it's the first place I'd go. Of the Corvette owners that I know well (about 15), no one has had DBS.
As far as how often it happens, there is no way it is even close to 25%. If it happened to 1/4 cars it would be pretty easy to reproduce and find a vehicle that had the problem. This is definitely not the case, if you look at the thread where GM was looking for cars, they wouldn't have to do that if it happened on 25% of cars, they have their own fleet. They would see it at the plant, when delivering vehicles, it would be everywhere. A problem that occurs on 5% of cars is a huge deal these days to any automaker. Also, remember forums are flooded by people with problems and people with new cars. When I first got my C6 I was on here all the time, I stop in less and less frequently, usually to try to help out, but I've had no problems with my car. As time goes by I check it out less and less, but if I had a problem, it's the first place I'd go. Of the Corvette owners that I know well (about 15), no one has had DBS.
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From: Arizona
Originally Posted by OttoNP
As far as how often it happens, there is no way it is even close to 25%. If it happened to 1/4 cars it would be pretty easy to reproduce and find a vehicle that had the problem. This is definitely not the case, if you look at the thread where GM was looking for cars, they wouldn't have to do that if it happened on 25% of cars, they have their own fleet. They would see it at the plant, when delivering vehicles, it would be everywhere. A problem that occurs on 5% of cars is a huge deal these days to any automaker. Also, remember forums are flooded by people with problems and people with new cars. When I first got my C6 I was on here all the time, I stop in less and less frequently, usually to try to help out, but I've had no problems with my car. As time goes by I check it out less and less, but if I had a problem, it's the first place I'd go. Of the Corvette owners that I know well (about 15), no one has had DBS.
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From: Murfreesboro Tn
Few things here...
1) Talking about percentages is meaningless (no offense to anyone). Without knowing how many vehicles have been delivered and how many have actually experienced DBS you can't come to an accurate percentage. Trying to do it in the forum is valiant, but unfortunately not accurate.
2) GM is most certainly looking into this and here's why... Someone has to pay warranty. Warranty comes in the form of part replacement and labor. Contrary to what has been said in this thread...infant mortality is not that prevailent with batteries. Delco will not be willing to eat good returns for very long. Bad cells are easy to find...just put the battery under a load.
So as time has gone by, a natural filter has began to set up. People who don't shutdown properly are less likely to take the vehicle to the dealership than people that have experienced DBS. This does work both ways in that people who experience DBS for the first time may not bring their vehicle to the dealership. GM should now have a time frame of which they can look at warranty data. Within this time frame they should be able to distinguish or disregard build patterns (trim levels, part lots, etc).
I know this has been said before and it is common sense but worth repeating... in order to truely diagnose this concern, GM needs a vehicle that is exhibiting the issue. Until they see it or can duplicate it, everything is guess work.
Lastly, I've read a lot of posts that are semi hostile towards GM or they insinuate that GM is hiding something or refusing to fix a known issue. Having worked in automotive for many years, I can tell you this is 100% not the way it is. Their lives do not get any easier by closing their eyes. JDP and other surveys are what their management looks at. Warranty is what their management looks at. There is no escaping.
Duplicating or recreating a sporadic issue that does not have a clear data trail is what they are facing.
John
1) Talking about percentages is meaningless (no offense to anyone). Without knowing how many vehicles have been delivered and how many have actually experienced DBS you can't come to an accurate percentage. Trying to do it in the forum is valiant, but unfortunately not accurate.
2) GM is most certainly looking into this and here's why... Someone has to pay warranty. Warranty comes in the form of part replacement and labor. Contrary to what has been said in this thread...infant mortality is not that prevailent with batteries. Delco will not be willing to eat good returns for very long. Bad cells are easy to find...just put the battery under a load.
So as time has gone by, a natural filter has began to set up. People who don't shutdown properly are less likely to take the vehicle to the dealership than people that have experienced DBS. This does work both ways in that people who experience DBS for the first time may not bring their vehicle to the dealership. GM should now have a time frame of which they can look at warranty data. Within this time frame they should be able to distinguish or disregard build patterns (trim levels, part lots, etc).
I know this has been said before and it is common sense but worth repeating... in order to truely diagnose this concern, GM needs a vehicle that is exhibiting the issue. Until they see it or can duplicate it, everything is guess work.
Lastly, I've read a lot of posts that are semi hostile towards GM or they insinuate that GM is hiding something or refusing to fix a known issue. Having worked in automotive for many years, I can tell you this is 100% not the way it is. Their lives do not get any easier by closing their eyes. JDP and other surveys are what their management looks at. Warranty is what their management looks at. There is no escaping.
Duplicating or recreating a sporadic issue that does not have a clear data trail is what they are facing.
John
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From: Arizona
Originally Posted by jz's blue c6
1) Talking about percentages is meaningless (no offense to anyone). Without knowing how many vehicles have been delivered and how many have actually experienced DBS you can't come to an accurate percentage. Trying to do it in the forum is valiant, but unfortunately not accurate.John
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Originally Posted by jz's blue c6
Few things here...
1) Talking about percentages is meaningless (no offense to anyone). Without knowing how many vehicles have been delivered and how many have actually experienced DBS you can't come to an accurate percentage. Trying to do it in the forum is valiant, but unfortunately not accurate.
2) GM is most certainly looking into this and here's why... Someone has to pay warranty. Warranty comes in the form of part replacement and labor. Contrary to what has been said in this thread...infant mortality is not that prevailent with batteries. Delco will not be willing to eat good returns for very long. Bad cells are easy to find...just put the battery under a load.
So as time has gone by, a natural filter has began to set up. People who don't shutdown properly are less likely to take the vehicle to the dealership than people that have experienced DBS. This does work both ways in that people who experience DBS for the first time may not bring their vehicle to the dealership. GM should now have a time frame of which they can look at warranty data. Within this time frame they should be able to distinguish or disregard build patterns (trim levels, part lots, etc).
I know this has been said before and it is common sense but worth repeating... in order to truely diagnose this concern, GM needs a vehicle that is exhibiting the issue. Until they see it or can duplicate it, everything is guess work.
Lastly, I've read a lot of posts that are semi hostile towards GM or they insinuate that GM is hiding something or refusing to fix a known issue. Having worked in automotive for many years, I can tell you this is 100% not the way it is. Their lives do not get any easier by closing their eyes. JDP and other surveys are what their management looks at. Warranty is what their management looks at. There is no escaping.
Duplicating or recreating a sporadic issue that does not have a clear data trail is what they are facing.
John
1) Talking about percentages is meaningless (no offense to anyone). Without knowing how many vehicles have been delivered and how many have actually experienced DBS you can't come to an accurate percentage. Trying to do it in the forum is valiant, but unfortunately not accurate.
2) GM is most certainly looking into this and here's why... Someone has to pay warranty. Warranty comes in the form of part replacement and labor. Contrary to what has been said in this thread...infant mortality is not that prevailent with batteries. Delco will not be willing to eat good returns for very long. Bad cells are easy to find...just put the battery under a load.
So as time has gone by, a natural filter has began to set up. People who don't shutdown properly are less likely to take the vehicle to the dealership than people that have experienced DBS. This does work both ways in that people who experience DBS for the first time may not bring their vehicle to the dealership. GM should now have a time frame of which they can look at warranty data. Within this time frame they should be able to distinguish or disregard build patterns (trim levels, part lots, etc).
I know this has been said before and it is common sense but worth repeating... in order to truely diagnose this concern, GM needs a vehicle that is exhibiting the issue. Until they see it or can duplicate it, everything is guess work.
Lastly, I've read a lot of posts that are semi hostile towards GM or they insinuate that GM is hiding something or refusing to fix a known issue. Having worked in automotive for many years, I can tell you this is 100% not the way it is. Their lives do not get any easier by closing their eyes. JDP and other surveys are what their management looks at. Warranty is what their management looks at. There is no escaping.
Duplicating or recreating a sporadic issue that does not have a clear data trail is what they are facing.
John
100%. I cannot tell you how refreshing it is to hear another voice of reason, aside from my own, in this whole mess.
