500-550hp daily driver recommendations
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My experience with the Alchy has not been good.
1) You have to refill the bottle every couple of days (or day if you get on it).
2) You will have a problem if the pump fails (major engine problems).
3) Your plugs will foul out pretty often.
But you will make massive amounts of power! Take my opinion with a grain of salt b/c my experience was with an evo.
bobby
1) You have to refill the bottle every couple of days (or day if you get on it).
2) You will have a problem if the pump fails (major engine problems).
3) Your plugs will foul out pretty often.
But you will make massive amounts of power! Take my opinion with a grain of salt b/c my experience was with an evo.
bobby
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From: Alexandria VA
I dont want anything on my car that has to be continuly monitored and maintained.... I had a SC on my 350Z and well all I had to do was change the oil and drive it ....a belt every now and then.
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From: Dallas/Valley Ranch TEXAS!!!
the fill on the ECS kit is @ every other gas tank fill... The plug issue is not an issue with this kit on these cars... cost of fill @ $1.75...
L.E.D. light comes on when you get low on alcohol to let you know... VERY advanced/user friendly system .
Jeremy
L.E.D. light comes on when you get low on alcohol to let you know... VERY advanced/user friendly system .
Jeremy
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From: SFV CA
I've used an Aquamist water/meth injection on my supercharged Mercedes for 4 years without any issues; pump failure or foul plugs. The ECS is a better quality kit in my opinion and as Jeremy stated "user-friendly", if there were any issues to arise, I'm certain Andy of A&A or ECS would lend a helping hand.
The meth. injection concept may not be for everyone, but here in Kali with the 91 "donkey ****" octane and Summer is just around the corner, the pros outweight the cons (if any). My tune with the methanol is conservative, I gained about 22rwhp...my goal was just to keep detonation at bay!
I spray at 2PSI and only fill once every 1-1.5 week. I get the stuff either at A&A or Home Depot. The stock washer tank is utilized and if I go empty the warning light alerts me not to run the car hard and to give the F430 a free pass...
The meth. injection concept may not be for everyone, but here in Kali with the 91 "donkey ****" octane and Summer is just around the corner, the pros outweight the cons (if any). My tune with the methanol is conservative, I gained about 22rwhp...my goal was just to keep detonation at bay!
I spray at 2PSI and only fill once every 1-1.5 week. I get the stuff either at A&A or Home Depot. The stock washer tank is utilized and if I go empty the warning light alerts me not to run the car hard and to give the F430 a free pass...
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From: Findlay Ohio
Originally Posted by Brabus2
I've used an Aquamist water/meth injection on my supercharged Mercedes for 4 years without any issues; pump failure or foul plugs. The ECS is a better quality kit in my opinion and as Jeremy stated "user-friendly", if there were any issues to arise, I'm certain Andy of A&A or ECS would lend a helping hand.
The meth. injection concept may not be for everyone, but here in Kali with the 91 "donkey ****" octane and Summer is just around the corner, the pros outweight the cons (if any). My tune with the methanol is conservative, I gained about 22rwhp...my goal was just to keep detonation at bay!
I spray at 2PSI and only fill once every 1-1.5 week. I get the stuff either at A&A or Home Depot. The stock washer tank is utilized and if I go empty the warning light alerts me not to run the car hard and to give the F430 a free pass...
The meth. injection concept may not be for everyone, but here in Kali with the 91 "donkey ****" octane and Summer is just around the corner, the pros outweight the cons (if any). My tune with the methanol is conservative, I gained about 22rwhp...my goal was just to keep detonation at bay!
I spray at 2PSI and only fill once every 1-1.5 week. I get the stuff either at A&A or Home Depot. The stock washer tank is utilized and if I go empty the warning light alerts me not to run the car hard and to give the F430 a free pass...
On my prior vehicle which was a 93 twin turbo 3000GT a few guys were running propane injection with a small 5lb tank in the engine bay where the stock battery location is. They were claiming to have great results and each tank would last one month with daily driving and a conservative tune. I was just wondering if any of the vette guys have tried this route either. I was always skeptical about keeping a full propane tank in my engine bay but the guys who used it swore by it.
Dave
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From: laguna niguel ca
550 crank HP?
If you're talking 550RWHP with a stock block motor, you're going to need a lot more than you stated at the start of this thread. But if you mean 550 crank or flywheel HP, than this is what I did. Kooks, magnaflows, 160 stat, Halltech intake, 224/228/581/588/114 cam, ETP 215 heads, FAST 90 manifold, and tunning by Charlie@A&A corvette.
my numbers are 461RWHP/435RWTQ. That equates to 542HP/511TQ @ the crank. Yes this is my daily driver 62 miles a day. At 70mph I get 29.4mpg. A lot of guys on this forum are making more power. I just didn't feel good about taking the stock block internals any farther that I did and expect the motor to live a good long life. So I gave up some power and gained some piece of mind. Remember these pistons are weak. There not boost friendly. especialy # 7 cylinder. If you want a boosted motor to live a long abused life, you need forged pistons and good rods and rod bolts. The crank, forged wouldn't hurt. Now you can do what ever you want and hang on.BTW 550rwhp N/A requires at least a 402 with a big stick 242/248 650/660/112, 225cc heads and a FAST manifold, and you might get there. Might!Any way my .02 cents
my numbers are 461RWHP/435RWTQ. That equates to 542HP/511TQ @ the crank. Yes this is my daily driver 62 miles a day. At 70mph I get 29.4mpg. A lot of guys on this forum are making more power. I just didn't feel good about taking the stock block internals any farther that I did and expect the motor to live a good long life. So I gave up some power and gained some piece of mind. Remember these pistons are weak. There not boost friendly. especialy # 7 cylinder. If you want a boosted motor to live a long abused life, you need forged pistons and good rods and rod bolts. The crank, forged wouldn't hurt. Now you can do what ever you want and hang on.BTW 550rwhp N/A requires at least a 402 with a big stick 242/248 650/660/112, 225cc heads and a FAST manifold, and you might get there. Might!Any way my .02 cents
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From: laguna niguel ca
Price?
Head and cam also means a good set of headers and a Air intake. If you do it all at one time, excluding the Fast 90 manifold. You're looking at $7500 turn key. Now add a Fast manifold including it's modifications,and you're at about $8400. If you choose to go with ETP heads, it's another $150 for two different length pushrods, valve cover spacers $100, alternator extension bracket $50, and the heads themselves are $200 more than most other heads, and I'm sure I forgot something. So now you're at $8650. It really adds up fast. Now this is a ballpark figure, Depending on what kind of labor charges you get. Some places are more some less. Cat back another $1000.
If you're into drag racing at the strip, then you're going to need to strengthen the entire drivetrain Clutch,trans,rear end,and half shafts. Otherwise it will all be laying on the track after you hook up those drag radials
If it's going to be only a street car, don't worry about the drive train, because you'll never hook it up to break anything. This is using the prices I paid. Of course I wasn't happy with my first cam so I went bigger, another $1600. Boy that wasn't smart. Hope this info gives you and idea. When you think about it it's like $75-85/HP. Sometimes more.
Andreas G
If you're into drag racing at the strip, then you're going to need to strengthen the entire drivetrain Clutch,trans,rear end,and half shafts. Otherwise it will all be laying on the track after you hook up those drag radials
If it's going to be only a street car, don't worry about the drive train, because you'll never hook it up to break anything. This is using the prices I paid. Of course I wasn't happy with my first cam so I went bigger, another $1600. Boy that wasn't smart. Hope this info gives you and idea. When you think about it it's like $75-85/HP. Sometimes more.
Andreas G
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From: Saint Albans, WV
Originally Posted by valdeztke
The APS kit is selling for 9K$
Magna 7K plus 2K for a painted hood=$9K
(This is all without installation)
ATI for 8K$ installed.
Magna 7K plus 2K for a painted hood=$9K
(This is all without installation)
ATI for 8K$ installed.
I'm pretty sure those prices are basic kits, no fuel system upgrades or gauges. I've got $1,000 in gauge setup and install alone. You will also have to have at minimum a fuel BAP installed. Plus there can always be changes to your system depending what you want. Do you want to port the throttle body, new plugs, SC warranty......on and on
Last edited by saplumr; May 22, 2006 at 05:54 PM.
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From: Alexandria VA
I had some kick *** Defi gauges in my 350Z.
Well the wife says that as long as all the money I put into the car I have to match half into MMA. She is determined to con me into investing lol
Well the wife says that as long as all the money I put into the car I have to match half into MMA. She is determined to con me into investing lol
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Do your research over in the C5 forced induction because the C5 guys have been doing FI a lot longer than us on basically the same LSx platform.
You will find a lot of valuable information from owners fo blown LSx cars.
Some have had MULTIPLE FI systems on their cars and they will tell you what they have learned and why they have switched.
I think if you do your research you will decide on the STS rear mount twin turbo and be done with 500+ rwhp with NO ADDITIONAL MODS.
Either way,
twin turbos are the way to go.
Kenne Bell is the way to go if you INSIST on a supercharger and you are willing to deal with all the issues associated with a belt drive.
Good Luck.
You will find a lot of valuable information from owners fo blown LSx cars.
Some have had MULTIPLE FI systems on their cars and they will tell you what they have learned and why they have switched.
I think if you do your research you will decide on the STS rear mount twin turbo and be done with 500+ rwhp with NO ADDITIONAL MODS.
Either way,
twin turbos are the way to go.
Kenne Bell is the way to go if you INSIST on a supercharger and you are willing to deal with all the issues associated with a belt drive.
Good Luck.
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Originally Posted by saplumr
I'm pretty sure those prices are basic kits, no fuel system upgrades or gauges.
Peter
Last edited by APS; May 22, 2006 at 07:21 PM.
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From: Saint Albans, WV
Originally Posted by APS
The APS twin intercooled twin turbo system does include eight 60 lb fuel injectors and a BAP for the larger fuel suply system, the entire twin turbo deal including the fuel system is $8995 at MSRP, hope this helps. 
Peter
Peter
Good deal!
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From: Saint Albans, WV
Originally Posted by valdeztke
I see them in the pic but when can I see them in my living room floor!!!!!
