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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 03:49 PM
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Can anybody tell me what the avg. HP gain from a set of GM L98 heads on a stock LS2 would be? I got some info in a GMHTP mag today and could'nt see where the performance gains were in laymans terms. I understand they flow better, but whats the bottom line for Hp over stock?At $400.00 a piece fully assembled, it's a great piece if it shows some gain over base.
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 04:09 PM
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Can anybody tell me what the avg. HP gain from a set of GM L98 heads on a stock LS2 would be? I got some info in a GMHTP mag today and could'nt see where the performance gains were in laymans terms. I understand they flow better, but whats the bottom line for Hp over stock?At $400.00 a piece fully assembled, it's a great piece if it shows some gain over base.
I think the article in GM high tech said they gained 42-44 over a stock LS2 heads and ls2 intake. (l98 heads and L76? intake)
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by xstang
I think the article in GM high tech said they gained 42-44 over a stock LS2 heads and ls2 intake. (l98 heads and L76? intake)
Wasn't that with a custom grind cam? Didn't know what the #'s were with stock cam.
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Originally Posted by Evilways
Wasn't that with a custom grind cam? Didn't know what the #'s were with stock cam.
Yeah... think your right...
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How about LS6 heads?
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cmb13
How about LS6 heads?
Ls6 heads and LS2 heads are the same except for the lightweight valves... Both are 243 castings...
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 05:34 PM
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I was under the impression by many posts here that the L92 heads would not fit the LS2 because of differences in the Bore size? The new intake will not fit either, I was told?
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I was under the impression by many posts here that the L92 heads would not fit the LS2 because of differences in the Bore size? The new intake will not fit either, I was told?
They strap onto a LS2 GTO just fine...see this month's GMHTP magazine for a build up. They do it on an already modified motor, though, and I was wanting #'s from stock cam.
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Brasil
I was under the impression by many posts here that the L92 heads would not fit the LS2 because of differences in the Bore size? The new intake will not fit either, I was told?
They will fit the LS2's 4.00" bore but not the LS1/LS6's 3.90" bore.

BTW there L92 heads.
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Sorry...L92...I had my old L98 Formula 350 on my mind for some reason. So....any #'s yet?
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There are only so many combinations that you can cover. I think that they wanted to show the potential of the L92 heads. Most people change cams when they do a H/C/I type swap.

In the future we will be testing as many cam combinations as possible. We will also test with the several of the "stock" cams such as the LS2 vs the LS6 etc.

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Old Dec 6, 2006 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence
There are only so many combinations that you can cover. I think that they wanted to show the potential of the L92 heads. Most people change cams when they do a H/C/I type swap.

In the future we will be testing as many cam combinations as possible. We will also test with the several of the "stock" cams such as the LS2 vs the LS6 etc.

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Right...I understand that, but if I'm gonna put cash on an upgrade, I want to know what to expect, like whats the avg gain from these heads on a bone stock car? There's too many cam combos out there to do every test, so what I was wanting was base numbers, and I'm sure those gains would go up if a differant cam was installed.
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Originally Posted by Evilways
Right...I understand that, but if I'm gonna put cash on an upgrade, I want to know what to expect, like whats the avg gain from these heads on a bone stock car?
The number I've heard is approximately 30-35 rwhp, with no other changes.
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I would guess 30-35 also, but half that is a gain from the intake... The LS2 intake is terrible...

In the article they gained 44 with an aftermarket cam...
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Old Dec 6, 2006 | 04:56 PM
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30-35HP isn't bad, esp if you want to go with GM parts and not the FAST intake and other heads. Thanks for all the help.
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Old Dec 6, 2006 | 08:03 PM
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I'll be using a L92/L76 intake combination on my APS TT car on the stock LS2 shortblock. I dropped the stuff of at West Coast Cylinder Hears last Friday!

I'll post numbers when I get them.
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Cam swap with stock heads would net a much larger gain. In general with the lsx motors, changing heads with stock cam nets little gain for the dollars and effort in the swap. I swaped from Ls1 heads to ported and polished ls6 heads with a stock cam on an ls1 and realized only 15 hp gain. A big downer for approximately 1400 and 20 hours of knuckle bustin' effort. I dont know all the details with the L92 heads, but I doubt that the gain would be proportionally more over stock LS2 heads than from ls1 to LS6 P&P... Just my 2 cents, but take it from me, don't learn the hard way that a head swap in isolation is likely to be a big disappointment. BTW- added a "moderate" cam after the heads and found another 50HP. Bottom line- if you're going to crack open the engine, change the cam too!!
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Old Dec 6, 2006 | 09:46 PM
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The cam used in that test was not optimal, nor was the compression ratio.
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Old Dec 6, 2006 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott 98Z M6
I'll be using a L92/L76 intake combination on my APS TT car on the stock LS2 shortblock. I dropped the stuff of at West Coast Cylinder Hears last Friday!

I'll post numbers when I get them.
Nice..............I'm interested to see the numbers.

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If money is no object, I'll still take a set of AFR 205/225's. Yeah the gain was around 40hp. How much of that was from the intake? If it was 10-15hp then you are really bolting on 25-30hp. And that power is rated on an engine dyno. The net gain.....28-30whp gain from head swap. Not bad for the money, but I think it wouldn't be ideal with most setups.

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