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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 03:19 PM
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Both Vararam and Breathless claim 35-40hp with their ram air intakes.And at $10k for a supercharger system it's $65-$100 per hp gained.I would dare say that many C6 owners would probably be happy with the hp gains from exhaust and intake only.Things appear to get really spendy after that.

They can claim whatever they want. I don't for a minute believe they would get you as much as 10 rwhp. And before you think that I'm too much of a skeptic, I should tell you that I had cold air intakes (Breathless) on both of my C5's.

In fact, a good friend of mine who is really into Corvettes as well just asked me yesterday why I have not put one on my C6. I've read everything on this forum about CAI's since the C6s came out, and I have not seen any really substantial evidence that they make much difference. I believe they add some hp, but damn little.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 04:39 PM
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I say maybe 2 to 3hp Max.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 05:09 PM
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I say maybe 2 to 3hp Max.
i hate to keep saying this but i got to i went 12.91 to 12.38 that's no 3hp max more like 50hp and i have one of the first ones. so all you guys who cried how bad the fit was, and i don't want to hydro-lock the filter sucks i still have the same one. 11.620 @ 117.48
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 05:12 PM
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They have them on sale and I ordered one and can not wait until it gets here.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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They have them on sale and I ordered one and can not wait until it gets here.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 06:33 PM
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i hate to keep saying this but i got to i went 12.91 to 12.38 that's no 3hp max more like 50hp and i have one of the first ones. so all you guys who cried how bad the fit was, and i don't want to hydro-lock the filter sucks i still have the same one. 11.620 @ 117.48
Dennis, I have a lot of respect for you, but I still find it hard to believe that the Vararam is responsible for that difference. Even if it does what it says, any ram air effect is not realized until you are halfway down the track. Please give some thought to how you think it creates so much horsepower, and how much of the 1/4 mile run would be at speeds that would potentially create enough ram effect to make that big of a difference. I really think there has to be more to your improvement than just the Vararam.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 06:52 PM
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It is not just the ram air it is also a cooler air charge result is a lower IAT.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 08:27 PM
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It is not just the ram air it is also a cooler air charge result is a lower IAT.
I know - but that is no big deal. There are many that do that.
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Vortex clear ram air set up looks the sweetest.. Money well spent
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 10:06 PM
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You can get 2-3 mph trap speed increase with a vararam in the C5 and C6. Crunch the numbers on HP and I think you fellows may be surprised.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bdking57
This is a can of worms but....

Im wondering why exactly vararam costs $350? It appears to me that the pricing on this unit is way off. At that price R&D would have been paid off shortly after its release and left room for a large price intake.. can anybody argue that the build quality is anywhere near the Ligenfelter or Callaway intakes? I understand the vararam is trying to be the best bang for your buck.. but if that is the case, $250 max..as the LPE is selling for 349 shipped direct from the retailer now.

The corvette tax is outta control, and unfortunately when we keep giving in to ridiculous overpriced items nothing changes.
Serious improvment, SOTP instant results, I love mine!! yes install is a pain in the ****!!
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by shurite44
You can get 2-3 mph trap speed increase with a vararam in the C5 and C6. Crunch the numbers on HP and I think you fellows may be surprised.
Are there any C6's running 117-118 trap speeds with NO other changes than a Vararam?
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jschindler
Dennis, I have a lot of respect for you, but I still find it hard to believe that the Vararam is responsible for that difference. Even if it does what it says, any ram air effect is not realized until you are halfway down the track. Please give some thought to how you think it creates so much horsepower, and how much of the 1/4 mile run would be at speeds that would potentially create enough ram effect to make that big of a difference. I really think there has to be more to your improvement than just the Vararam.
I 2nd his results, I ran a friend multiple times against his E55k v my C6, I'd pull 2-3 lengths on him and be stuck there, directly after Vararam install ran him again, instantly pulled 7-8 lengths and counting before shut down, it's great!! not to mention intake sound
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 10:40 PM
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For the guys that doubts the Vararam SOTP feeling,purchase one and if you dont like it or dont think your car is more powerfull,return it to the manufacturer,they said they would buy it right back from ya.I have one and i can definately feel the difference.
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Come quick Lord Jesus.........er I mean come quick Vararam......
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Originally Posted by jschindler
Dennis, I have a lot of respect for you, but I still find it hard to believe that the Vararam is responsible for that difference. Even if it does what it says, any ram air effect is not realized until you are halfway down the track. Please give some thought to how you think it creates so much horsepower, and how much of the 1/4 mile run would be at speeds that would potentially create enough ram effect to make that big of a difference. I really think there has to be more to your improvement than just the Vararam.
Jim al i know is i have stated many times my car was a dog i wasn't to happy with the results. yes the car was heat soaked the first run of the street then i took the air bridge off then the filters this doesn't work with the c6 computer it screws every thing up. since i am old school i didn't know this. so car would always run bad so i had the term and box put in ran the same but the weather was hotter. then i had it tuned 12.91 was the best late fall. put vr and spacer on at Xmas ran car late April weather about same car went 12.38 so you tell me same driver same car same weather same track same gas and amount same air in tires same tires and they wouldn't spin leave at idle same gear **** itself. the only other factor i can think of is the cool pine air and the aerodynamics takes air up higher where its cooler and brings it down in the scoop and i get more power and my tune and cooling work better with the vr but i had them first
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Originally Posted by dennis50nj
Jim al i know is i have stated many times my car was a dog i wasn't to happy with the results. yes the car was heat soaked the first run of the street then i took the air bridge off then the filters this doesn't work with the c6 computer it screws every thing up. since i am old school i didn't know this. so car would always run bad so i had the term and box put in ran the same but the weather was hotter. then i had it tuned 12.91 was the best late fall. put vr and spacer on at Xmas ran car late April weather about same car went 12.38 so you tell me same driver same car same weather same track same gas and amount same air in tires same tires and they wouldn't spin leave at idle same gear **** itself. the only other factor i can think of is the cool pine air and the aerodynamics takes air up higher where its cooler and brings it down in the scoop and i get more power and my tune and cooling work better with the vr but i had them first
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 09:00 AM
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Jim al i know is i have stated many times my car was a dog i wasn't to happy with the results. yes the car was heat soaked the first run of the street then i took the air bridge off then the filters this doesn't work with the c6 computer it screws every thing up. since i am old school i didn't know this. so car would always run bad so i had the term and box put in ran the same but the weather was hotter. then i had it tuned 12.91 was the best late fall. put vr and spacer on at Xmas ran car late April weather about same car went 12.38 so you tell me same driver same car same weather same track same gas and amount same air in tires same tires and they wouldn't spin leave at idle same gear **** itself. the only other factor i can think of is the cool pine air and the aerodynamics takes air up higher where its cooler and brings it down in the scoop and i get more power and my tune and cooling work better with the vr but i had them first
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Originally Posted by bdking57
This is a can of worms but....

Im wondering why exactly vararam costs $350? It appears to me that the pricing on this unit is way off. At that price R&D would have been paid off shortly after its release and left room for a large price intake.. can anybody argue that the build quality is anywhere near the Ligenfelter or Callaway intakes? I understand the vararam is trying to be the best bang for your buck.. but if that is the case, $250 max..as the LPE is selling for 349 shipped direct from the retailer now.

The corvette tax is outta control, and unfortunately when we keep giving in to ridiculous overpriced items nothing changes.
Buy aftermarket mods for a Porsche and you'll find that the Corvette tax is cheap by comparison. I bought a CAI for my 996 Turbo and it cost $795. An aftermarket exhaust is $3-5000.
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Originally Posted by jschindler
Are there any C6's running 117-118 trap speeds with NO other changes than a Vararam?
Well I don't know about that. I can not run that with long tube headers, high flow cats, cat back, vararam, spacer, 160 Tstat, tune, and DR's. 115 mph is my best trap, I started out stock trapping around 106-107 before my mods (hot weather though). So with exhaust and CAI and of course cooler weather I put on 8 mph. And on the C6 I did all my mods at once, so I really can not speak strongly on the C6. Also I never really ran yet in the best air, hunting season sort of took over my time during the best air days at the strip.

But the C5 was a different story. I put the vararam on and gained .3 and 3 mph on two different A4, 315 C5's. And I ran them enough stock to get a much better baseline. Now I said this before I even bought a C6, and I think DSOM Z51 will remember because we discussed this also. I think the C6 stock air box is much better than the C5's, so the gains may not be as great.

Something I think gets overlooked on vararam benefits is this. The vararam helps you out right from the beginning of the qtr mile. Why? When you launch stock, during the most critical time of the race a stock vehicle is breathing hot under hood air. With a vararam you run that sixty foot with all ambient temp air. I think this is one reason you can gain .3 with a vararam, as with most other CAI's you really don't get any benefit until the car develops a good air stream, not with the vararam.


Plus I realize it is just a darn air box so really how much can it do? It is not a super charger. But the guys who came up with it did it right. They put the intake outside the hood, I like that. I would not want it on a car I drive around like a DD but for a car that is just used for a pleasure cruise and racing it is a good design.
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