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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 07:31 PM
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More than likely the bolt did not bottom out in the cylinder head but the bolt head bottomed out on the header flange. That's the good news. Remove the header and gasket. Get a very sharp, small chisel. The broken bolt will not be a clean, smooth break but have a raised edge to it. Stick the corner of the chisel against this raised part of the bolt and tap the chisel with a hammer trying to get the bolt to turn out. It should come out without any trouble. FWIW, I wouldn't use a 1/2" drive torque wrench for such a low torque spec. If you don't pay very close attention, you may not feel or hear the click and when it does breakaway, it's usually the bolt breaking.

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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 07:40 PM
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More than likely the bolt did not bottom out in the cylinder head but the bolt head bottomed out on the header flange. That's the good news. Remove the header and gasket. Get a very sharp, small chisel. The broken bolt will not be a clean, smooth break but have a raised edge to it. Stick the corner of the chisel against this raised part of the bolt and tap the chisel with a hammer trying to get the bolt to turn out. It should come out without any trouble. FWIW, I wouldn't use a 1/2" drive torque wrench for such a low torque spec. If you don't pay very close attention, you may not feel or hear the click and when it does breakaway, it's usually the bolt breaking.

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Thanks for your post and the advice.

That sucker broke just like you describe.

Only problem is that it has edges at 9:00 and 3:00 with the arc of the curve at 12:00. In other words imagine an O. Cut it in half horizontally. The top half is whats showing. I can get a small chisel on it. But I can't get a swing with my hammer in those upside down positions.

I have tried a small, upholstery type hammer too.

Also, there is very little sticking out. About 1 to 1.5 threads.

Tried to use a broken bolt extractor on it yesterday but it wouldn't grab with the smallest one we had. Not enough of it sticking out. There might be a smaller one though.

I think I'm looking at having it drilled out.

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Old Mar 27, 2007 | 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by El Puto
Ughh - another good example of why headers are a PITA
As if it couldnt happen with the stock manifolds during a repair.
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Old Mar 27, 2007 | 11:34 AM
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Seems the best solution is to not re-use the stock bolts.
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Old Mar 27, 2007 | 11:49 AM
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The stock bolts have really nothing to do with it. I re-use stock bolts over and over again. I may change the engine in the same car three times a season and have no issues with the bolts breaking. I wire wheel all the sealant that's on them and use antisieze. The bolts don't break at 22 ft lbs of torque.

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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 03:53 PM
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There was a thread on LS1 tech not too long ago about when you add grease or anti-sieze to a bolt you are actually changing the perceived torque. I.e. a greased bolt will be at significantly higher torque than a "dry" bolt at the same reading on the torque wrench.

Anyone heard similar?
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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by openhelix
There was a thread on LS1 tech not too long ago about when you add grease or anti-sieze to a bolt you are actually changing the perceived torque. I.e. a greased bolt will be at significantly higher torque than a "dry" bolt at the same reading on the torque wrench.

Anyone heard similar?
Yes, dry vs treated bolts will torque differently. The torque numbers are usually specified with treatment (threadlocker, anti-sieze, oil, etc). In this case, GM uses a propriety threadlock/anti-sieze, and the torque specs quoted take the treatment into account. I don't know if the variance would qualify as significant or not, more likely slight...
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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by openhelix
There was a thread on LS1 tech not too long ago about when you add grease or anti-sieze to a bolt you are actually changing the perceived torque. I.e. a greased bolt will be at significantly higher torque than a "dry" bolt at the same reading on the torque wrench.

Anyone heard similar?
It's true. We use large bolts on our natural gas compressors and pipe flanges that use well over 1000 lb-ft of TQ. The torquing charts have different values based on the type of lubericant used (or even dry).
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Is there enough left of it sticking out to cut a slot in that you can use to turn it out? Another method is to weld a suitable bolt up to the end and use that to turn it out. Easier and less risky than you might think when done correctly.
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Originally Posted by crabman
Is there enough left of it sticking out to cut a slot in that you can use to turn it out? Another method is to weld a suitable bolt up to the end and use that to turn it out. Easier and less risky than you might think when done correctly.
Thanks for the suggestion Crabman. But the situation has long since been managed.

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