GEARS and ET.
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GEARS and ET.
Do gears help et. If you were just to do gears what type of gain can you expect in the 1/4? Also i am thinking about the 3.15`s and the 3.42`s any info would be great.....
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If i were to add gears (3.15/3.42) would a tranny cooler be a must? Also what would be better combo 3.15`s and a 3000 stall or 3.42`s and a 3000 stall. I am new to gears so i have lots of questions
Would a converter be needed to gain the 3 tenths? Or will the converter add to the 3 tenths?
Would a converter be needed to gain the 3 tenths? Or will the converter add to the 3 tenths?
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A 3000 stall will help a lot. Even with your stock gears you'll knock at least .3 off your ET if you launch right. A 3000 stall is enough to get your current 60' to 1.80 and bring your ET down significantly.
Tires would help a lot too. Unless your 12.52 was in the middle of summer, you have the power to get into the high 11s with a decent stall (3500) and drag radials.
Tires would help a lot too. Unless your 12.52 was in the middle of summer, you have the power to get into the high 11s with a decent stall (3500) and drag radials.
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A 3000 stall will help a lot. Even with your stock gears you'll knock at least .3 off your ET if you launch right. A 3000 stall is enough to get your current 60' to 1.80 and bring your ET down significantly.
Tires would help a lot too. Unless your 12.52 was in the middle of summer, you have the power to get into the high 11s with a decent stall (3500) and drag radials.
Tires would help a lot too. Unless your 12.52 was in the middle of summer, you have the power to get into the high 11s with a decent stall (3500) and drag radials.
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If you get a converter, you'll probally need drs.With a converter and good drs(since you can only get them for smaller wheels, it'll effect your gearing the way you want anyways), and cooler weather, I'd say you could easily get in the 11's based on your earlier run.
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For pure performance, I'm partial to converters. However, a 3500 stall can make the car feel mushy because you need a few hundred rpm more to get the car moving at light part throttle. Some people hate this, a few people like it, and most don't mind after a week once they get use to it. A 3000 stall will have less mushiness.
Gears do not have that downside. In fact they often feel like they make the car faster than it really is. For example, Gears might know .25 off your ET, but around town it may make you feel like the car is running.5 better. That makes them a nice option for most people who enjoy a fast car but ET isn't everything. Gears can also help from a roll more than a small stall (below 3500).
Hope this helps.
Gears do not have that downside. In fact they often feel like they make the car faster than it really is. For example, Gears might know .25 off your ET, but around town it may make you feel like the car is running.5 better. That makes them a nice option for most people who enjoy a fast car but ET isn't everything. Gears can also help from a roll more than a small stall (below 3500).
Hope this helps.
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For pure performance, I'm partial to converters. However, a 3500 stall can make the car feel mushy because you need a few hundred rpm more to get the car moving at light part throttle. Some people hate this, a few people like it, and most don't mind after a week once they get use to it. A 3000 stall will have less mushiness.
Gears do not have that downside. In fact they often feel like they make the car faster than it really is. For example, Gears might know .25 off your ET, but around town it may make you feel like the car is running.5 better. That makes them a nice option for most people who enjoy a fast car but ET isn't everything. Gears can also help from a roll more than a small stall (below 3500).
Hope this helps.
Gears do not have that downside. In fact they often feel like they make the car faster than it really is. For example, Gears might know .25 off your ET, but around town it may make you feel like the car is running.5 better. That makes them a nice option for most people who enjoy a fast car but ET isn't everything. Gears can also help from a roll more than a small stall (below 3500).
Hope this helps.
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As a manual guy I have no place posting in this thread...I've only ridden in autos.
But if you think there's any chance you'll do both then do it at the same time. You will save doing the labor of dropping the trans twice.
If I had an A6 I would do the converter. A converter makes your car really fast on the track by getting the engine in the powerband. The lower stall converters I've been in, like 3000, weren't bad. My buddy had a 3900 and it made his car unusable on the street. It felt like a slipping clutch all the time.
PM user Theofel, he's got both gears and converter in an A6, he will give his 2c as to which is better (although I think he got them both at the same time.
But if you think there's any chance you'll do both then do it at the same time. You will save doing the labor of dropping the trans twice.
If I had an A6 I would do the converter. A converter makes your car really fast on the track by getting the engine in the powerband. The lower stall converters I've been in, like 3000, weren't bad. My buddy had a 3900 and it made his car unusable on the street. It felt like a slipping clutch all the time.
PM user Theofel, he's got both gears and converter in an A6, he will give his 2c as to which is better (although I think he got them both at the same time.
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4.56 fot the M6
Im waiting for 4.56 gears to come out for the c5 -c6 vettes. Rumor
has them comming out in the spring. I think its crane they have
that mikronited process and made the claim that warren johnsons
pro stocker made 7 net HP on the dyno with less drive train loss.
has them comming out in the spring. I think its crane they have
that mikronited process and made the claim that warren johnsons
pro stocker made 7 net HP on the dyno with less drive train loss.
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It is time to speak to Dennis, even though he has the A4, he has a converter/trans cooler/gears/computer setup that works...... ie 11.21 elasped times. I am sure that a similar combo with higher gears (3.15s)can be made for the A6
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As a manual guy I have no place posting in this thread...I've only ridden in autos.
But if you think there's any chance you'll do both then do it at the same time. You will save doing the labor of dropping the trans twice.
If I had an A6 I would do the converter. A converter makes your car really fast on the track by getting the engine in the powerband. The lower stall converters I've been in, like 3000, weren't bad. My buddy had a 3900 and it made his car unusable on the street. It felt like a slipping clutch all the time.
PM user Theofel, he's got both gears and converter in an A6, he will give his 2c as to which is better (although I think he got them both at the same time.
But if you think there's any chance you'll do both then do it at the same time. You will save doing the labor of dropping the trans twice.
If I had an A6 I would do the converter. A converter makes your car really fast on the track by getting the engine in the powerband. The lower stall converters I've been in, like 3000, weren't bad. My buddy had a 3900 and it made his car unusable on the street. It felt like a slipping clutch all the time.
PM user Theofel, he's got both gears and converter in an A6, he will give his 2c as to which is better (although I think he got them both at the same time.
I know that you know your way around a track
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I have and Dennis`s setup is just amazing...I just figured since the word that the 3.42`s came out and Dave@Cartek/Spin/and Dennis said that those gears would make for a fast Vette, just wondering if i should go gears/converter or just gears since the 3.42`s are out...Or just run the stock gears add a converter....
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For mostly a street car, 3500 is plenty for 90% of the people. When I had a 4400 in my Z28, I had to go in and adjust my shiftpoints and lock-up to take some of the slop out. It helped, but I got tired of it and went back to a 3600. Also what feels mushy with low gears (2.56) won't feel as bad with 2.73s or 3.15s. That plays into the suggestion of doing both a converter and 3.15s and sticking some DRs out the back.
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Hey Ragtop,
I'm sure you don't remember me but I definitely remember you from the LS1tech forums. I have a 2001 Camaro SS with a Yank ST3500 in it. I remember you being super helpful and even sending me some PM's when I was trying to decide on a converter.
Are you moving up to a Vette soon? I am in the process of deciding what I want to order this coming spring and also need ot find a buyer for my SS - it only has around 15k miles on it so it shouldnt be too difficult.
Nice to see you here on the forum.
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I'm sure you don't remember me but I definitely remember you from the LS1tech forums. I have a 2001 Camaro SS with a Yank ST3500 in it. I remember you being super helpful and even sending me some PM's when I was trying to decide on a converter.
Are you moving up to a Vette soon? I am in the process of deciding what I want to order this coming spring and also need ot find a buyer for my SS - it only has around 15k miles on it so it shouldnt be too difficult.
Nice to see you here on the forum.
- Mitch
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(2.56)...............(3.15)............. ........(3.42)
1st 4.02............1st 4.26...................1st 4.63
2nd 2.36...........2nd 3.59...................2nd 3.90
3rd 1.53............3rd 3.37...................3rd 3.66
4th 1.15............4th 3.62...................4th 3.93
1st 4.02............1st 4.26...................1st 4.63
2nd 2.36...........2nd 3.59...................2nd 3.90
3rd 1.53............3rd 3.37...................3rd 3.66
4th 1.15............4th 3.62...................4th 3.93
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Hey mitch, I have vette fever. 
Trying to decide if I can be happy with a 2006 or 07 or will I regret not buying an 08.
Tony: I think I understand what you are trying to do in your last post and your math is messed up for 2nd, 3rd, 4th between 2.56 and 3.15
The best way to look at gearing is to compute the effective gearing. Multiply the transmission gear times the rear axle.
Trying to decide if I can be happy with a 2006 or 07 or will I regret not buying an 08. Tony: I think I understand what you are trying to do in your last post and your math is messed up for 2nd, 3rd, 4th between 2.56 and 3.15
The best way to look at gearing is to compute the effective gearing. Multiply the transmission gear times the rear axle.