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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 01:09 PM
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I am thinking about heading to the strip tomorrow and have a buddy w/ a C5 vette that has some DR's. He offered to let me borrow his wheels w/ the DR's for my track visit if I wanted. I was wondering how the TPMS would handle this?? I don't have a hand held programmer, so obviously it will throw a light, but will the system reset itself after I put the stock wheels back on? If not, can I go to an Autozone and have them scan and clear the code? Also, will I have any issues with active handling with the car not reading the rear TPMS's? I thought I heard you couldn't turn traction control off or something of that nature when the car is throwing a TPMS code. Any help is much appreciated.
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I am thinking about heading to the strip tomorrow and have a buddy w/ a C5 vette that has some DR's. He offered to let me borrow his wheels w/ the DR's for my track visit if I wanted. I was wondering how the TPMS would handle this?? I don't have a hand held programmer, so obviously it will throw a light, but will the system reset itself after I put the stock wheels back on? If not, can I go to an Autozone and have them scan and clear the code? Also, will I have any issues with active handling with the car not reading the rear TPMS's? I thought I heard you couldn't turn traction control off or something of that nature when the car is throwing a TPMS code. Any help is much appreciated.
If you swapped all 4 of your wheels to another set with no sensors, I don't think you'd have a problem. It takes about an hour of steady driving without shutting down the engine for the TPMS to recognize that it's not getting any signals from any sensors.

My experience with just swapping 2 wheels to a set with no sensors is that the car will know immediately that it's getting signals from your 2 front sensors and that the 2 rear sensors are not checking in. It will give you a DIC message "Service Tire Monitor" and "Limit Speed to 55mph". During hard acceleration or aggressive cornering it may pull power to slow you down (the so-called "limp mode"). I believe you'll be able to turn off TC, but not AH, but for drag racing you don't want to disable AH anyway.

So.....I think the only problem you might experience is a couple of DIC messages that you should be able to clear. Some people have reported that during hard acceleration the car pulls power (limp mode), but you may not have that problem - you'll just have to try it and see. You may not be able to go into Comp mode or turn AH off completely, but you don't want to do that anyway - you want AH on and just disable TC, and I don't think you'll have any problem doing that.

The TPMS problems you might encounter will not "throw a light". There are no codes or CEL associated with TPMS/sensor problems. I believe all the problems you might have are strictly related to DIC messages and the AH system, so even if you do get messages you can clear them.

When you put your original wheels/tires/sensors back on the car it will act as if they were never off. The sensors will report to the TPMS and you won't have to "reset", "scan", or "clear" anything.

Have fun at the track, and let us know how the car acted and how you did!

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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 02:59 PM
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You shouldn`t have a problem at all. Your tires will be their with the sensors in them. Just park right next to your tires when you shut off the car. When you get ready for another pass and turn on the car, the car will pick up on the stockers next to your car.

Good Luck and get that 11 second pass.
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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 03:29 PM
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Wow!!!!!! i just bought 2 nitto 555 drag radials. and will probably get a gm factory 17, 9.5 rim, for the corvette. Will these rims have a place to put the sencors in them. If not, i do have the diablo sport tuner, how would i go about disabling the sencors, or whatever you have to do to them????????????????????????????????
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I do this every weekend, and there are no problems at all. The car will say "service tire monitor" but it doesnt pull any power at all. Ran yesterday to a 12.135, and no problems any other time. I leave my stockers at home, and drive to the track on the drag radials with no sensors. I put the stockers back on, and the car recognizes it every time. It was the same with my 06.

You will have to turn traction control off, unless the drag radials are very similar in height to the stockers, as it will think the rear is spinning and will activate traction control. I always take traction control off to run at the track anyway.

Put em on and run it hard!!

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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 03:58 PM
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Thanks man, i was beggining to get worried, i have the nitto 555 they are 275,40 17, and i think they will be almost exactly the same size as stock, by the way what kind of dr,s are you running and what 60 ft.
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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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My 05 pulls power or limits it, however it works with my DR's on. The computer figures it out after about 5 minutes. So I just turn off the TC and all is good. This might just be on the 05's though.
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I swap mine at home drive to the track race and sometimes get the warning most times I dont get the mesage or I get it on the way home.

Once it comes up I have to clear it each time I start the car or until I park near the stock wheels (you have to do thing the right order to be able put it comp mode)

Not a problem just a PIA I hwould not waste the money on extra sensors or a reset tool, there is no need IMO.
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I just put four new wheels/tires with different sensors on my 06 and haven't reset yet. I drove the car for about 35 minutes today and all that happened is that I got the Service Tire Pressure Monitor warning on the DIC which I cleared while driving. After I shut it down and later did a second drive, I got the same message again and cleared it again with no problem. No power down or anything else changed with the car. I'll reset the sensors later after I receive the special tool to do that, which I am ordering.
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Originally Posted by 06C6FVR
I do this every weekend, and there are no problems at all. The car will say "service tire monitor" but it doesnt pull any power at all. Ran yesterday to a 12.135, and no problems any other time. I leave my stockers at home, and drive to the track on the drag radials with no sensors. I put the stockers back on, and the car recognizes it every time. It was the same with my 06.

You will have to turn traction control off, unless the drag radials are very similar in height to the stockers, as it will think the rear is spinning and will activate traction control. I always take traction control off to run at the track anyway.

Put em on and run it hard!!

Daren
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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 08:00 PM
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My experience with just swapping 2 wheels to a set with no sensors is that the car will know immediately that it's getting signals from your 2 front sensors and that the 2 rear sensors are not checking in. It will give you a DIC message "Service Tire Monitor" and "Limit Speed to 55mph". During hard acceleration or aggressive cornering it may pull power to slow you down (the so-called "limp mode"). I believe you'll be able to turn off TC, but not AH, but for drag racing you don't want to disable AH anyway.

So.....I think the only problem you might experience is a couple of DIC messages that you should be able to clear. Some people have reported that during hard acceleration the car pulls power (limp mode), but you may not have that problem - you'll just have to try it and see. You may not be able to go into Comp mode or turn AH off completely, but you don't want to do that anyway - you want AH on and just disable TC, and I don't think you'll have any problem doing that.
For me, I had no problems until I hit 60 mph + with my drag radial test (no rear sensors) on the freeway and then it went into limp mode with AH enabled. I got out of it by hitting the TC button. Still, I decided not to take any chances on the strip and made myself an air filled cannister containing 2 sensors that fits in the trunk cubbyhole. I leave my oem wheels at home and still the computer thinks I got 2 rear tires with sensors at 30 lbs pressure wherever I go.

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I was just wondering what kind of 60 ft times yall were running with the nitto 555 drag radials. My previous best was a 2.15, with stock tires, but i still ran a 12.909 1/4, and 8.5 1/8. I think if i can get a 1.7 60 ft i will be in the low 12,s

Also what pressure should i run in the dr,s? I will put them on and then drive to the track, so they will be warm. And one more thing, how big of a burn out should i do to heat the tires? A really big one , or just a small one?
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Originally Posted by COALMINER,KY
I was just wondering what kind of 60 ft times yall were running with the nitto 555 drag radials. My previous best was a 2.15, with stock tires, but i still ran a 12.909 1/4, and 8.5 1/8. I think if i can get a 1.7 60 ft i will be in the low 12,s

Also what pressure should i run in the dr,s? I will put them on and then drive to the track, so they will be warm. And one more thing, how big of a burn out should i do to heat the tires? A really big one , or just a small one?
I know member GlennHL runs with Nitto DR's. His best 60' so far was a 1.89. He was running 18 psi at the track I do believe. Others run around 24-25 psi with their DR's.The Nittos really need to be warmed up and Glenn does a 10 second burnout.
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1.89, that is not too good for drag radials is it. I was hoping for at least a 1.7. Would the mickey thompson et streats be a better tire? I will be very upset if i just get a 1.89.
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Originally Posted by COALMINER,KY
1.89, that is not too good for drag radials is it. I was hoping for at least a 1.7. Would the mickey thompson et streats be a better tire? I will be very upset if i just get a 1.89.
Well, a lot depends on your own ability. Some can run 1.80's on run flats and I run 1.90's. By ranking, Nitto's are considered average, BFG's better and MT ET Street are best. Though no guarantee you'll do 1.70's with any drag tire. If you can get down to 1.95-1.99 with stock tires, odds are you can do 1.80's with MT ET's. I would work on getting your launches down on the stock tires first. With 2.15's you need some more practice.
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Yea! I agree, but for some reason, call me crazy, but it seems to me that on the streat the car launches really good, but at the track it sucks. It almost seams like the track is too sticky. But here in about a month i will go to bristol dragway, and see if i can get a 1.70.
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When the BFG 315's i have were newer, on my Z51 06 M6 car, i ran a best of 1.72 , but now on my NON Z51 07, the best i can get is 1.82... Ive tried launching anywhere from 3500-5800, and if i launch at 3500 it bogs, and anywhere above 4500 and it spins. Im gonna try the MT drag radial next as these are about to wear out.

My 06 went 1.72 to a 12.04 at 114
My 07 went 1.82 to a 12.134 @ 114

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Originally Posted by COALMINER,KY
I was just wondering what kind of 60 ft times yall were running with the nitto 555 drag radials. My previous best was a 2.15, with stock tires, but i still ran a 12.909 1/4, and 8.5 1/8. I think if i can get a 1.7 60 ft i will be in the low 12,s

Also what pressure should i run in the dr,s? I will put them on and then drive to the track, so they will be warm. And one more thing, how big of a burn out should i do to heat the tires? A really big one , or just a small one?
Nittos are good for 1.8's with stock power and 1.6's with real power
Remember we dont have a solid axle so we cant just lower the psi and get great 60's as our cars squat the outer edge makes less contact.

24psi seems to work the best

With my setup 295 BFG's I get 1.70-1.73's (A6) at 25 psi with a good 3 sec after smoke burnout on the button, NA they are slow.

My buddies bone stock 05 A4 with the tall gears picked up 2 seconds with a 150shot and ET streets 1.65 60' on the button. (same track same day)
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Originally Posted by 06C6FVR
When the BFG 315's i have were newer, on my Z51 06 M6 car, i ran a best of 1.72 , but now on my NON Z51 07, the best i can get is 1.82... Ive tried launching anywhere from 3500-5800, and if i launch at 3500 it bogs, and anywhere above 4500 and it spins. Im gonna try the MT drag radial next as these are about to wear out.

My 06 went 1.72 to a 12.04 at 114
My 07 went 1.82 to a 12.134 @ 114

Almost same mods

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Maybe you should try those Z51 sway bars on your base '07?
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This is some good information on here guys, nice work!

Just to confirm... if you are running without (say) one TPMS, the DIC warns you, then if it limits/goes into limp mode, you turn off the TC and then it goes away?? is it that simple?

I am considering running road courses with all the TPMS on, but if I get a flat or a blowout, I would have one rear rim/full size tire with me to thrown on the car w/o a TPMS so I could "limp" home - does that sound feasible then?
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