No hardware changes for A6
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St. Jude Donor '13, '15
No hardware changes for A6
So I read an article in Corvette quarterly which stated that the faster paddle shifts for the 08 A6 were achieved through software changes only with no changes to the hardware. If this is true......why can't us 07 owners get a flash?
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St. Jude Donor '13, '15
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Doesn't surprise me, stating initially that there were some 'hardware changes' upon the release of a new model year can help boost sales but it's very possible that there were actually none at all.
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I want it....
pg 60:
“Thanks to the scope and sophistication of our electronic controls, this improvement was accomplished in software WITH NO HARDWARE CHANGES NECESSARY,” says Springer.
Caps mine for emphasis.
Quote is from a Jim Springer “Control integration systems manager”.
I would think he’d know?
- Ray
Really interested in such a software ‘upgrade’ for the 2007 . . .
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pg 60:
“Thanks to the scope and sophistication of our electronic controls, this improvement was accomplished in software WITH NO HARDWARE CHANGES NECESSARY,” says Springer.
Caps mine for emphasis.
Quote is from a Jim Springer “Control integration systems manager”.
I would think he’d know?
- Ray
Really interested in such a software ‘upgrade’ for the 2007 . . .
“Thanks to the scope and sophistication of our electronic controls, this improvement was accomplished in software WITH NO HARDWARE CHANGES NECESSARY,” says Springer.
Caps mine for emphasis.
Quote is from a Jim Springer “Control integration systems manager”.
I would think he’d know?
- Ray
Really interested in such a software ‘upgrade’ for the 2007 . . .
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I just re-read the article:
"During downshifts, a new "quick shift" technique automatically raises the engine rpm in the brief interval between the release of one gear and the engagement of the next. It took an intense calibration effort and cooperation from Corvette engine experts to refine how it works, but the end result is a 40-percent quicker response. "Thanks to the scope and sophistication of our electronic controls, this improvement was accomplished in software with no hardware changes necessary."
"To quicken upshifts we implemented a strategy called torque management"
Corvette Quarterly
So does this mean that upshifts require changes to the ECM? Can this be a simple edit ?
"During downshifts, a new "quick shift" technique automatically raises the engine rpm in the brief interval between the release of one gear and the engagement of the next. It took an intense calibration effort and cooperation from Corvette engine experts to refine how it works, but the end result is a 40-percent quicker response. "Thanks to the scope and sophistication of our electronic controls, this improvement was accomplished in software with no hardware changes necessary."
"To quicken upshifts we implemented a strategy called torque management"
Corvette Quarterly
So does this mean that upshifts require changes to the ECM? Can this be a simple edit ?
Last edited by BlackZ51Vett; Mar 24, 2008 at 03:10 PM.
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I think the upshifts suck the DSs arent that bad IMO. I also think that what most guys are getting done to the A6 to improve shifting is deleting TM. I had that done and thought the shifts were too rough/abrupt. So unless there is or are a lot of tuning variables out there now that were not there 6 months ago, I would say we are stuck with what we have.
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While there may have been no hardware changes for the purpose of enabling quicker shifting ..
That does not mean that there were no hardware changes FOR OTHER REASONS.
The OP raises an interesting questio:
If no hardware changes were necessary, is it possible to change the shifting on the older cars through a programming change?
A follow on question would be, is the new software specific to the new hardware? (i.e. can the old hardware be controlled properly with the new software?).
That does not mean that there were no hardware changes FOR OTHER REASONS.
The OP raises an interesting questio:
If no hardware changes were necessary, is it possible to change the shifting on the older cars through a programming change?
A follow on question would be, is the new software specific to the new hardware? (i.e. can the old hardware be controlled properly with the new software?).
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I read somewhere that Ferrari shift changes occur in 0.10 sec in their smg like automatics?.... not sure what to take away from the 0.5 sec shown in the chart above but years back I used to have a Z-28 with a turbo 400 with B&M shift kit and from memory it felt like it shifted in auto faster than my 2008 A6 in auto mode.
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I had my 06 updated from dealership at no charge and made a drastic difference. It actually shifted about the same as my 08.
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St. Jude Donor '13, '15
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. When I go in for my axles I'm asking about the trans update.
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I had my '08 reprogramed last Friday. It is the closest automatic to a real sequential F1-type trans that I've driven, including a Porshe TipTronic or a Mercedes paddle shift auto. It gets 2nd. every time, even with less than full throtle. There is no way to shift a manual as fast and as positve this one. I couldn't be happier or expect any more out of it. I don't know or care what changes GM did for '08. All I know is that when properly dialed in, it's phenominal. Just takes the right person that understands the new codes and has the patience and time to get it right on. In the Competitive Driving Mode you really have to be ready for it when you request 2nd. or it can go sideways a little on you.
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follow on question..??
While there may have been no hardware changes for the purpose of enabling quicker shifting ..
That does not mean that there were no hardware changes FOR OTHER REASONS.
The OP raises an interesting questio:
If no hardware changes were necessary, is it possible to change the shifting on the older cars through a programming change?
A follow on question would be, is the new software specific to the new hardware? (i.e. can the old hardware be controlled properly with the new software?).
That does not mean that there were no hardware changes FOR OTHER REASONS.
The OP raises an interesting questio:
If no hardware changes were necessary, is it possible to change the shifting on the older cars through a programming change?
A follow on question would be, is the new software specific to the new hardware? (i.e. can the old hardware be controlled properly with the new software?).
And my frustration is that I have no one to ask...
My dealer has no interest...
- Ray
2007 that could certainly use better \ quicker \ smoother downshifts . . .