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Old Jun 28, 2008 | 01:07 PM
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What are the main differences between the two...

id like to find some cams that work well with both so i can bolton a SC later on.

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Old Jun 28, 2008 | 01:26 PM
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since the intake is pressurized, traditional thinking is a bit more exhaust duration and a bit less overlap for Supercharger cam. If you are looking at a typical street set-up, I'd buy a good NA cam. A S/C with 6 - 10 lb of boost is going to work well with anything but the most radical NA cams.

Some people for a street set-up will bias their cam towards low end NA power knowing a S/C will make up for it on the top end. This is not as much an issue if you are looking at a Maggie or KB unit.

What are are your peformance goals and driving style? What blower are you considering? How certain are you to add it?
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going sc because i want a street king. good DD, no MPG ding like to use the novi 1500, pretty certain, just deciding if i should pay off the car or get the these

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cam -small 228/232 or 224/228
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maybe Fast?

and however long the block last then a forged 402 from LM.

my certainty is just that i have 2yrs left on my powertrain, so dont know if i want miss up on that..
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p.s. or do you think i should just go for the ecs kit now, and add bolt-ons/cam later? and id do all the work myself with some buddies of mine

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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 10:32 AM
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Whether to risk the power train warranty is a personal decision. I obviously didn't wait.

I'd do LG Pros and the ECS kit. The 3.90s and some drag radials or Toyo R888's would be a good start for being the street king in terms of stoplight encounters.

For now, I'd skip the FAST and the cam. The ECS kit will probably put out as much power as you can effectively use on the street with tires that can used in a DD.
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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Ragtop 99
since the intake is pressurized, traditional thinking is a bit more exhaust duration and a bit less overlap for Supercharger cam. If you are looking at a typical street set-up, I'd buy a good NA cam. A S/C with 6 - 10 lb of boost is going to work well with anything but the most radical NA cams.
I agree with this if you're not changing the compression in the motor, get a cam with less LSA and noticibly more exhaust lift and duration not just two or four degrees but like 8-10 degrees of duration, lift isn't as important as the duration and you'll be on your way. The car will run well and make great power without the SC and then when you bolt it on it'll really wake up nicely.

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when you mean more exhaust duration,, like more than stocks? or more than the intakes? so like a 224/232?

oh and traction wont be as big of a problem since most of it is not from the dig...

i just talked to some of my buddies and they said to just get a tune or go buy hptuners pro, and remove the tq managment, 160 stat and reprogram the fans, then header and gears, it would a completly different car and feel KINDA close to a z06, unfortunatley my goal is to beat z06's not just eat their exhaust and then if its not enough go fast/cam or then pull for the s/c..

thanks for the input everyone..
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Originally Posted by carlrx7
when you mean more exhaust duration,, like more than stocks? or more than the intakes? so like a 224/232?

oh and traction wont be as big of a problem since most of it is not from the dig...

i just talked to some of my buddies and they said to just get a tune or go buy hptuners pro, and remove the tq managment, 160 stat and reprogram the fans, then header and gears, it would a completly different car and feel KINDA close to a z06, unfortunatley my goal is to beat z06's not just eat their exhaust and then if its not enough go fast/cam or then pull for the s/c..

thanks for the input everyone..
More duration in terms of comparing it to the intake side of the cam. Don't worry about comparing it to the stock cam. I'd say that it wouldn't be a bad idea to buy HP tuners, but that is up to you if you want to learn the software. There is something to be said for doing what you want when you want to on your own time and not have to wait for someone else to do it for you. This is coming from someone that makes a living doing this stuff, but I want whats best for the customer and I feel that anyone with a modded Vette, Gto, or this type of vehicle should own and learn Hp Tuners, it's only to your benefit. With that said I'd go for the cam and then SC if you want to catch a Z06, then hope it's not modified too much when you want to play. Although if you pick the cam right he might be trying to catch you.

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Just get the sc, headers, and alky then take a trip to ecs. They can get you some big numbers without the cam.

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Originally Posted by MARSC6
Just get the sc, headers, and alky then take a trip to ecs. They can get you some big numbers without the cam.

Check this one out.
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Yes, you can do it that way, but you risk part failures without some cylinder pressure bleed off and furthermore when all is said and done the guy with the cam and SC will walk all over the guy with only the SC. Just my 2 cents though.

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Yes, you can do it that way, but you risk part failures without some cylinder pressure bleed off and furthermore when all is said and done the guy with the cam and SC will walk all over the guy with only the SC. Just my 2 cents though.

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I was under the impression that adding a cam to a sc with all else internally remaining stock would be to much for the engine. I may have to look into a cam.

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Old Jun 30, 2008 | 06:14 AM
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I was under the impression that adding a cam to a sc with all else internally remaining stock would be to much for the engine. I may have to look into a cam.
No if you add a cam that is meant for a Naturally Aspired motor you risk real problems, but if you design or buy a cam meant for a supercharged application then you'll make a lot more power and stress the motor less. You have to choose the cam wisely though, which seems to be the hard part for some people sometimes.

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Yes, you can do it that way, but you risk part failures without some cylinder pressure bleed off and furthermore when all is said and done the guy with the cam and SC will walk all over the guy with only the SC.
At those power levels there are a other issues to be addressed in terms of the drivetrain reliability and traction before a cammed S/C car is going to walk over a good stock cam S/C set-up. In terms that the OP was seeking, i.e. outrun a Z06, an ECS 550 rwhp kit should do the trick with the stock cam.
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At those power levels there are a other issues to be addressed in terms of the drivetrain reliability and traction before a cammed S/C car is going to walk over a good stock cam S/C set-up. In terms that the OP was seeking, i.e. outrun a Z06, an ECS 550 rwhp kit should do the trick with the stock cam.
I think there are plenty of reliability issues all the way around, stock cam or not when you start adding a SC. Different problems arise with different combinations. I tend to believe the cammed SC car would have less engine reliability issues because of the cylinder pressure bleed off from the aftermarket cam and the upgrade of parts that need to be done on a cam change. The stock cammed SC car would have the stock valve train components that are more prone to failure when you start bolting on a Supercharger and way too much cylinder pressure because of the combination of the stock cam and stock compression ratio. I think both cars may have drivetrain reliability issues and traction problems regardless though at some point.

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We have a cam that is specifically for forced induction applications. It's the G5XB (Blower) cam. We would not recommend going any larger if you were planning on going supercharged later. Give us a call and we can go over exactly what you want to do...

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