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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by carlrx7
was it because the g6 cams are for the l92/l76 or ls3 setups? how many miles were on the cam b4 you started 'spirted driving'?

ill be going with something simular to that g5x1,, how's it feel?

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The cam only had a few days of light driving on it before the spirited run.

I am still running the stock tune and have been taking it very easy and do not yet know much about the G5X1 driving experience! :-)
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMonster
Looking at the pics it appears you cam bolts walked out as the cause of this injury.

Cometic produces any size bore and thickness gasket for any engine. If you send them something obscure they will produce a one off gasket so ssaying you have a 'cometic gasket' doesnt tell anyone the info needed to calculate your new compression. Stock gaskets are .054" and if you went with .040" you are in the 11.3:1 to 11.4:1 range. The G5X1 is a 228 cam requiring at least that compression. Its a great cam and looks to be a good low end Tq monster.

On a side note, I think you are the greatest for manning up and publishing that things didnt go well and also for trying again. One thing though, why didnt you have me fly up to help? I did offer.
The Cometic gaskets are .040". If the G5X1 requires at least that compression I am grateful LG sent me a 0.40 gasket! :-)

As for why I was not able to have the best guy (no pun intended) work on my Corvette:
1) Try as I might I could not find any place (empty garage, etc) to do the work where I am presently located.
2) Try as I might I could not find a proper collection of tools. My own tools are located at my parents place (where I vacationed).
2) The only time I could be without a car for days, is when I was on vacation.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 05:12 PM
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This is quite a post, so there was no piston damage?

If so, that is amazing!

I was worried when broke one valve spring

It's great when you can work through a problem like this on your own.

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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 05:18 PM
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boy ain't that amazing! do a job, explode the motor, and everybody's happy about it ! and then do the job again, I thought my people/supply'ers were good by only letting me do it once! I'm going to have to talk to them?
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 06:24 PM
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boy ain't that amazing! do a job, explode the motor, and everybody's happy about it ! and then do the job again, I thought my people/supply'ers were good by only letting me do it once! I'm going to have to talk to them?
Its kind of a reach to say people were happy about it. No one was happy he 'exploded the motor'. People were releived that the lower end survived without cracked liners. I guess you can say I was happy for the guy that the repair wasnt $10,000.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 08:33 PM
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I was happy for the guy too! ;-)

One of the valve heads came off in my hand. If the valve head had let go at anytime the motor was turning over...

By the grace of God there wasn't more damage then there was.
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Old Aug 24, 2008 | 01:52 PM
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Terrific photo story of a tragic event. You are to be commended for doing such an extarodinary job under such primitive conditions in the boonies. Most people wouldn't have the guts to do a teardown under those conditions. Thanks for sharing, and well done.
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Old Aug 24, 2008 | 02:19 PM
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Glad to hear it worked out ok, and to Lou and his Crew, !
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I didn't look at the pics first time I read this thread. Your sense of humor and the help from all but esp. LGMotorsports, are truly amazing. Considering where things were located and the damage done, congratulations on it all.

Again, it can't be stressed enough: a real hats off and kudos to LGMotorsports, I say. And to you for getting it right.
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Old Aug 24, 2008 | 06:03 PM
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[QUOTE=Craigster05;1566758513]You are to be congratulated on many fronts....first let me say I really admire that you retained your sense of humor and took this all as a learning experience. You had great support, from Lou at LG to the dog standing guard. Even though you had less than perfect working conditions, you improvised where you could, made the most of everything, and got your car working again.

We should all take a lesson, when things go wrong, they can go wrong REALLY BIG...and there are two ways to handle it....this is a great example of how to handle it the right way. No yelling, name calling, bashing, just a request for some help, a whole lot of intestinal fortitude, sweat and careful rebuilding...and a very big "Atta Boy!" from us all.

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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 11:45 AM
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What was the root cause of the failure?!?
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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 12:53 PM
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I also want to know 3 years later! What caused it?!
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I'd be willing to bet either improper application of, or no loctite at all on the cam bolts, wrong torque value used on those bolts or a combo of both.
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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Motorhead-47
I'd be willing to bet either improper application of, or no loctite at all on the cam bolts, wrong torque value used on those bolts or a combo of both.
You are wise.

With the help of LG (emergency shipment of parts!) I was able to patch the motor back together and drive it for a while. As the weeks went on though I started to notice a knocking sound and the knocking sound became worse and worse. It turned out a piston skirt had broken off and one of the pistons was rocking in the cylinder. A new shortblock (forged 418) was then ordered and installed. The new shortblock consumed crazy amounts of oil, and after much troubleshooting, the aftermarket shortblock was pulled and sent back for rework.

Pics of the various tear downs can be seen here. Click on the "Round 1", "Round 2", etc.
http://sites.google.com/site/mrdrezzup/niterider
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Old Mar 4, 2011 | 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CMY SIX
boy ain't that amazing! do a job, explode the motor, and everybody's happy about it ! and then do the job again, I thought my people/supply'ers were good by only letting me do it once! I'm going to have to talk to them?
Boy you are just a bowl of peaches, aren't you?
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Old Mar 4, 2011 | 02:06 PM
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Man, I bet you wish you used some loctite huh!? So do you remember if it was the lack of loctite, or did you not tq the cam bolts to the right spec?
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Old Mar 4, 2011 | 02:50 PM
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dude, I think you are using a valve spring compressor from me JIC?
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Old Mar 4, 2011 | 03:59 PM
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Congrats to you my friend. Great write up and I couldn't agree more about LG's customer support. Its some of the best costomer service I have received from any business, not just for the Vette.
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Old Mar 4, 2011 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MrDrezzUp
The camshaft sprocket bolts were torqued to 26lbs and Loctite was used on the bolts.
Loctite only works when the bolts and threads are really clean. I use carb cleaner 2X and blow out with air.

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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FASTBLUEZ06
Man, I bet you wish you used some loctite huh!? So do you remember if it was the lack of loctite, or did you not tq the cam bolts to the right spec?
The loctite was missed, and the torque wrench I had at the time was kinda screwy so I am not sure if the lack of loctite is entirely to blame.

Try to imagine how much time I spent researching loctite (different types, different strategies for application etc) the next time around! Same holds true for torque wrenches and their proper use!
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