First time with DRs, advise?
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Burning Brakes
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?????? I wasnt talking to you....I was replying to member pontiacZ06.
To wit: we only have 1/8th mile here and wonder what i can run. thinking low 8 maybe high 7 on drag radials. thoughts?
I know what your LS3 can do along with -2000 to -3500 DA at Atco helping carrying you along
To wit: we only have 1/8th mile here and wonder what i can run. thinking low 8 maybe high 7 on drag radials. thoughts?
I know what your LS3 can do along with -2000 to -3500 DA at Atco helping carrying you along
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Yeah, it's ALL the air/track...good driving, tuning and car prep have NOTHING to do with it. 
Some people should really focus more on getting their own skills and programs in order instead of constantly pointing fingers and simply using DA as an excuse as to why they're not measuring up.
Some people should really focus more on getting their own skills and programs in order instead of constantly pointing fingers and simply using DA as an excuse as to why they're not measuring up.
Safety Car
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I am pretty familar with driving a 6 speed to mid 7's. had my ta running 7.5 VERY constitantly. it only made 406 rwhp. weight was 3680. but had a two step set at 6000 rpms, and slicks bolted to a 9' with 4.11's. So i am hoping for a mid 7 with a drag radial and a 1.8 60" maybe 1.7... how strang are the diffs in an 06? at what point do i need to worry about it breaking.
Safety Car
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Yeah, it's ALL the air/track...good driving, tuning and car prep have NOTHING to do with it.
Some people should really focus more on getting their own skills and programs in order instead of constantly pointing fingers and simply using DA as an excuse as to why they're not measuring up.
Some people should really focus more on getting their own skills and programs in order instead of constantly pointing fingers and simply using DA as an excuse as to why they're not measuring up.
Tell ya what...come to any track with an altitude higher than 1000' and a DA greater than ZERO and lets see YOU doing a 11.70, 11.83 or even your car stock doing a 12.21! Let see how much your driving, tuning and car prep skills measure up higher in the sky! You would be very hard pressed, even with all your "skills" in order, to cut below 12.00 with your current setup! 
Last edited by siffert; Dec 16, 2008 at 07:20 PM.
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Tell ya what...come to any track with an altitude higher than 1000' and a DA greater than ZERO and lets see YOU doing a 11.70, 11.83 or even your car stock doing a 12.21! Let see how much your driving, tuning and car prep skills measure up higher in the sky! You would be hard pressed, even with all your skills in order, to cut below 12.00 with your current setup!You ran at a great track (MIR) in good air with headers and I've still got you covered...I certainly wouldn't be posting too loudly with all of that going for ya LOL.
Unless you're running your car in NM or CO in the summer then WE ALL have it good, yourself included...not exactly sure what you're constantly crying about.
Safety Car
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whenever someone talks about the Yeah, it's ALL the air/track-2000 to -3500 DA reality at Atco. Not sure what your complaining about either! My Kooks headers untuned gave me absolutely nada in ET. Got the logs to prove it. Though the car sounds so much better
Put your headers on hanging in your garage and let's see what you can do. Though they might be a little too noisy for your sensitive ears 
So pray tell what your Drag Pack, Skinnies and all your weight reduction did for you? I say in -2200 DA like you got at Atco, I could do a 11.70 too while weighing far more and with far more unsprung mass!
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I have no problems saying what I got and what DA does for me. It is you who has that problem. You are soooooo sensitive whenever someone talks about the Yeah, it's ALL the air/track-2000 to -3500 DA reality at Atco.
Not sure what your complaining about either! My Kooks headers untuned gave me absolutely nada in ET. Got the logs to prove it. Though the car sounds so much better Put your headers on hanging in your garage and let's see what you can do. Though they might be a little too noisy for your sensitive ears
So pray tell what your Drag Pack, Skinnies and all your weight reduction did for you? I say in -2200 DA like you got at Atco, I could do a 11.70 too while weighing far more and with far more unsprung mass!
whenever someone talks about the Yeah, it's ALL the air/track-2000 to -3500 DA reality at Atco. Not sure what your complaining about either! My Kooks headers untuned gave me absolutely nada in ET. Got the logs to prove it. Though the car sounds so much better
Put your headers on hanging in your garage and let's see what you can do. Though they might be a little too noisy for your sensitive ears So pray tell what your Drag Pack, Skinnies and all your weight reduction did for you? I say in -2200 DA like you got at Atco, I could do a 11.70 too while weighing far more and with far more unsprung mass!
Here are my time slips, this is what the car ran, period.
How 'bout you?
Safety Car
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Thus, one will never be confused on the CF forums of your times and place on the LIST, though questions will always remain in many folks minds regarding what your DA number is for each slip. Thanks to the Drag Times DA Online Calculator we know your 11.70 was:
Confidentially, I think almost anyone with a driver's license who is familiar with speeding (but never drag raced at a track)) could cut similar times to yours in your own car on the same day within .05, providing you did their burnout. So much for the skill level with the A6
We'll keep this between us, just for you!
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Gary lets just put it this way, i offered you a day at an atco rental, you declined
you chose MRI, your 1000 ft elevation offer is ridiculous. and here is why, if i have the best place to eat near my house why would i go a hundred or thousands of miles away to eat at a place that i know has bad tasting food if im into road racing i would go to spring mountain, if your into 1/4 mile and atco is suppose to be the best i would go to atco, why argue who in there right mind would go to a track that might result in worse times,come to atco if you think its the best and prove somthingbut i guarantee that calculator isn't right. you can search back and find a video that nick yoskin posted at a rental in may 2007 when i went 11.62 he has a live video of the weather station that was a +2900 that day if you check your calculator i bet its not even close i got sunburn that day it was so hot and sunny in the 90s but i bet the calculator says way less
you chose MRI, your 1000 ft elevation offer is ridiculous. and here is why, if i have the best place to eat near my house why would i go a hundred or thousands of miles away to eat at a place that i know has bad tasting food if im into road racing i would go to spring mountain, if your into 1/4 mile and atco is suppose to be the best i would go to atco, why argue who in there right mind would go to a track that might result in worse times,come to atco if you think its the best and prove somthingbut i guarantee that calculator isn't right. you can search back and find a video that nick yoskin posted at a rental in may 2007 when i went 11.62 he has a live video of the weather station that was a +2900 that day if you check your calculator i bet its not even close i got sunburn that day it was so hot and sunny in the 90s but i bet the calculator says way less
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Tell ya what...come to any track with an altitude higher than 1000' and a DA greater than ZERO and lets see YOU doing a 11.70, 11.83 or even your car stock doing a 12.21! Let see how much your driving, tuning and car prep skills measure up higher in the sky! You would be hard pressed, even with all your skills in order, to cut below 12.00 with your current setup!
Safety Car
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why argue who in there right mind would go to a track that might result in worse times,come to atco if you think its the best and prove somthing you can search back and find a video that nick yoskin posted at a rental in may 2007 when i went 11.62 he has a live video of the weather station that was a +2900 that day if you check your calculator i bet its not even close
come to atco if you think its the best and prove somthing you can search back and find a video that nick yoskin posted at a rental in may 2007 when i went 11.62 he has a live video of the weather station that was a +2900 that day if you check your calculator i bet its not even close. What is the date of that video run, we'll check the calulator and settle your 11.62 once and for all Incidentally, a 11.62 at +2900 DA equates to about a 10.78 at -2,500 DA!
Safety Car
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I'm with Siffert on this one. I run at a 1250 foot track and my best time was during a FREAK day. We had 30.4 corrected barometer with 47 degrees out and the sun shining (I normally run at night). Good track, 255 foot DA, resulted in a 12.03 run at 118.4 mph. I have an automatic (A6) and in my opinion it takes very little talent to make it go fast.
All the rest of the guys there had Z06's and/or C6 M6. After looking at the time, they looked at me as if to say "A chimp could drive an A6". I did a 12.08 previously at +145 DA at 1,230'. My guess is you would have done a 11.72 had you been there at MIR the same day. Oh well, we can sadly lament those glorious +100 to +200 DA freak days at 1250' once I start a new life as a Rancher and we hook up together in +3573 altitude at Roswell Dragway
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I just thought he might really enjoy running higher in the sky and to see how the other half lives . What is the date of that video run, we'll check the calulator and settle your 11.62 once and for all
Incidentally, a 11.62 at +2900 DA equates to about a 10.78 at -2,500 DA!
. What is the date of that video run, we'll check the calulator and settle your 11.62 once and for all Incidentally, a 11.62 at +2900 DA equates to about a 10.78 at -2,500 DA!
heres a video of 1 run i went 11.62 that day the same as the record run, if you search you can find the video of the weather station
http://www.challengevideos.com/2007/...w338_video.php
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i was off a little on the da a long time ago
found it
http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...urrent=335.flv
found it
http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...urrent=335.flv
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I know your SLIPS and THE LIST are the most important thing in your life. Not only do you post your slips on 1/4 Mile Challenge thread but also start and post your very own threads once again talking about your SLIPS and THE LIST accomplishments. We are all so proud of you and we all salute you, oh Great Hero of ATCO!
Yes I made some separate threads as well JUST AS MANY OTHERS HAVE ALSO DONE before me. But you'll also notice that even after running two new bests following that original post that I STILL USED THE SAME THREAD to mention it instead of making more new threads, I should at least get a free cookie for that, no?
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Atco Raceway DOES NOT have a weather station on the premises so I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA where Drag Times or ANY online site is getting their info.
Safety Car
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The DA at Atco last Saturday hovered between -1300 and -1500 during racing hours according to Ellis's ('YO-EL') $700.00+ properly operated handheld weather station.Atco Raceway DOES NOT have a weather station on the premises so I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA where Drag Times or ANY online site is getting their info.
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I had a crystal clear view of the very costly and impeccably operated handheld weather station used AT THE ACTUAL TRACK I WAS RACING AT as well.
No confusion on my end either.
5 miles?! May as well be 50 miles LOL.
I looked on one site the other day and it showed a disparity in barometer between Atco and a town only 5-10 miles away of over .20 (30.20 at Atco versus 30.42 at Hammonton) at the exact same moment in time.
5 miles away IS NOT where I made my passes, I made them at the 1/4 mile drag strip located at 1000 Jackson Road Atco, NJ 08004.
No confusion on my end either.
I looked on one site the other day and it showed a disparity in barometer between Atco and a town only 5-10 miles away of over .20 (30.20 at Atco versus 30.42 at Hammonton) at the exact same moment in time.
5 miles away IS NOT where I made my passes, I made them at the 1/4 mile drag strip located at 1000 Jackson Road Atco, NJ 08004.
Safety Car
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That weather station 4.67 miles away uses far more senstive instruments costing in the thousands over the $100-$700 handheld play toys we use. We agree to disagree and I still say:
Safety Car
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i was off a little on the da a long time ago
found it
http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...urrent=335.flv
found it
http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...urrent=335.flv
You set records at ATCO no matter the DA from +3000 to -3000! It must be that high altitude of 33' that so much agrees with you!
Last edited by siffert; Dec 17, 2008 at 02:47 AM.