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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 04:22 PM
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Because even though there are many complaints about their units people continue to buy them..I did .. VR knows if they actually fix the issues, their customers will be all over them to replace older units..They would rather sell a sh!tty product and take the chance of losing a few customers than doing what they should..

I will never buy another product from that company even if it really did give "up to 40 hp" (whatever)... Some people have not had any issues with their unit and others are blinded by product loyalty and continue to defend them.. Do you think that with this many people complaining there's not an issue ??

I went back to stock and couldn't tell a difference in power at all.. I did lose the low RPM surging though.. Unless you drag race I don't think you gain much anyway.. I think it would be really hard to feel a few tenths of a second over a quarter mile.. Just my opinion though..
The warp problem was on the older units. They replaced mine with the new thicker unit and I've had no problems. I've seen threads with people critisizing Vararam when they don't even own one and that's dumb. Also, who cares if you can "feel" the 0.3 tenths you gain as long as it shows on your time slip?
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 04:26 PM
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I was thinking about getting one but I'm not sure I'll go that route now, I do know that on the C5's they did fix the problem with a new upper housing and filter, and yes it did cost to replace those parts, which I think should of been free.. (since the old filter was know where to be found and my MAF looked like a tire it was so black)

I guess I'll wait now..
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 04:37 PM
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i love it and have had know problems
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BLACK 08
Some people have not had any issues with their unit
I'm one of those people...not blinded by anything other than the outside world whipping by when I nail the throttle in my Vararammed Corvette.



Originally Posted by BLACK 08
and others are blinded by product loyalty and continue to defend them.
Not just product loyalty, I don't think people are quite as simpleminded as you make them out to be, perhaps they're loyal because the product delivers proven performance results unmatched by any other of it's type.
Is the Vararam perfect? Maybe not all of them are.
But almost no performance/aftermarket part is perfect or quite up to factory OEM levels for fitment/overall quality, if that's all that one is seeking then they probably shouldn't be modifying their car in the first place.
The board does have an awesome Appearance/Detailing section for that type of Corvette enthusiast though.



Originally Posted by BLACK 08
I think it would be really hard to feel a few tenths of a second over a quarter mile.
Huh?
Maybe you can't feel a few tenths of a second (that's an eternity in racing by the way) but others out there can feel even a half a tenth of a second difference from one pass to the next so statements such as that can be quite confusing to the true racer.
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 06:26 PM
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You guys should be putting an asterisk behind those "no problems" and " no issues" statements with the word...yet.

Just because you haven't had a problem yet, does not mean you never will have one warp, shift and suck dirt. I would be knocking on every type of wood I could find with those statements.
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Griffee
You guys should be putting an asterisk behind those "no problems" and " no issues" statements with the word...yet.

Just because you haven't had a problem yet, does not mean you never will have one warp, shift and suck dirt. I would be knocking on every type of wood I could find with those statements.
why did i buy one in dec2006 and had no problems, they updated it for free, i told them i don't need one, i just want the new green filter, they sent me the whole new unit, so i put it on and gave LS1LT1 my old first one, he has had no problems, so they asked me to try a race version test mule they were working on and i did, they said use it only at the track, i use it everyday, never took it off and no problems, so i have had a vararam since dec2006 with no problems, and i dont expect to have any
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 07:51 PM
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Wanna buy mine?
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 08:44 PM
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Wanna buy mine?
nope mines perfect, and i have the spare
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 11:02 PM
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12.59@114mph stock

then i ran the next day with vararam

12.31@117mph...


Its works..
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Griffee
You guys should be putting an asterisk behind those "no problems" and " no issues" statements with the word...yet.

Just because you haven't had a problem yet, does not mean you never will have one warp, shift and suck dirt. I would be knocking on every type of wood I could find with those statements.
Yeah, I guess it could start to show signs of all that after 2 years and thousands of miles on the car.
Or maybe it won't happen at all.
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Old Jul 12, 2009 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by foremaw
This has always interested me from a business perspective. No one disputes Vararam's performance. But for years and years (on both C5s and C6s) folks have had the same complaints as the OP. Poor instructions, fitment, etc. Yet Vararam, who must be aware of this, never seems interested in correcting those issues. Who knows what they have lost in sales because of it. One for sure (me). It makes no sense to me.
You're right on the mark with that one, as this is something learned in Business 101.
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Old Jul 12, 2009 | 02:44 PM
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You're right on the mark with that one, as this is something learned in Business 101.
I disagree...IMHO they are not losing any money. They continue to make more with each sale. They have many performance shops selling them and despite what some may think, CF sales probably are only a very small portion of their overall business. It might seem like a head-scratcher but if they were not making money they would be gone, especially in this economy. Just look at the numbers....

They sell their product for an average of 300-400+ per unit. Sure they had R&D costs but I'm guessing those have long been paid off. What do you suspect it costs them to make each unit at this point in material? 10 bucks? Maybe 15? There are always some overhead costs but for all we know it's 2-3 people working out of their homes with some Chinese manufacturer churning these out. They will quickly replace any unit if asked. Why? Good customer service? Maybe, but it might also be that it is just so cheap to make they just throw the complainers a new unit and for the most part that shuts them up. For them to "fix" the design will mean more R&D costs and then they would probably need to offer current customers something toward the new designed air-box so in the end it is probably much more profitable to keep selling the same unit and deal with the 10 threads per year that pop up bashing them and the 100 or so units they have to swap out yearly. Even after everything we have seen about all the issues with the product the product continues to sell and they continue to make lots of money. IMHO that is why the design has not changed.
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Old Jul 12, 2009 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike02Z
I disagree...IMHO they are not losing any money. They continue to make more with each sale. They have many performance shops selling them and despite what some may think, CF sales probably are only a very small portion of their overall business. It might seem like a head-scratcher but if they were not making money they would be gone, especially in this economy. Just look at the numbers....

They sell their product for an average of 300-400+ per unit. Sure they had R&D costs but I'm guessing those have long been paid off. What do you suspect it costs them to make each unit at this point in material? 10 bucks? Maybe 15? There are always some overhead costs but for all we know it's 2-3 people working out of their homes with some Chinese manufacturer churning these out. They will quickly replace any unit if asked. Why? Good customer service? Maybe, but it might also be that it is just so cheap to make they just throw the complainers a new unit and for the most part that shuts them up. For them to "fix" the design will mean more R&D costs and then they would probably need to offer current customers something toward the new designed air-box so in the end it is probably much more profitable to keep selling the same unit and deal with the 10 threads per year that pop up bashing them and the 100 or so units they have to swap out yearly. Even after everything we have seen about all the issues with the product the product continues to sell and they continue to make lots of money. IMHO that is why the design has not changed.
Since you don't have one you really shouldn't be talking about something about which you're clueless. They did fix the problem and the replacement units they send out are the FIXED units. I have no problem with someone who has bought a Vararam, had it warp on them, get angry and then get on here and complain about it.
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Old Jul 12, 2009 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike02Z
I disagree...IMHO they are not losing any money. They continue to make more with each sale. They have many performance shops selling them and despite what some may think, CF sales probably are only a very small portion of their overall business. It might seem like a head-scratcher but if they were not making money they would be gone, especially in this economy. Just look at the numbers....

They sell their product for an average of 300-400+ per unit. Sure they had R&D costs but I'm guessing those have long been paid off. What do you suspect it costs them to make each unit at this point in material? 10 bucks? Maybe 15? There are always some overhead costs but for all we know it's 2-3 people working out of their homes with some Chinese manufacturer churning these out. They will quickly replace any unit if asked. Why? Good customer service? Maybe, but it might also be that it is just so cheap to make they just throw the complainers a new unit and for the most part that shuts them up. For them to "fix" the design will mean more R&D costs and then they would probably need to offer current customers something toward the new designed air-box so in the end it is probably much more profitable to keep selling the same unit and deal with the 10 threads per year that pop up bashing them and the 100 or so units they have to swap out yearly. Even after everything we have seen about all the issues with the product the product continues to sell and they continue to make lots of money. IMHO that is why the design has not changed.

They wouldn't need to redo R&D for simply making better installation instructions (maybe even include a DVD of a basic install to help people get into the ballpark), and an improved fastening system for holding the two main pieces together; we're not talking rocket science here.

I'd decided to take the time to improve my unit's overall fit instead of opting for another brand simply because of how well the Vararam performs. I've always owned very fast cars, and I fully understand the true value of a tenth-of-a-second. I also believe an enthusiast should always make the time to check filters and fluids as often as possible, and anyone who can't be bothered with cognizant maintenance should stay away from performance mods altogether.

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