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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 08:15 AM
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Well its been a week of owning my 09 Coupe and its time for the modding to begin. I ordered and received my WCC lowering bolts. Ive done a bunch of searches on here and have all the necessary information and basically im dreading pulling the suspension apart to install them. Im very mechanically inclined and have always done all of my installs on past rides, so the actual install isnt the problem. (just being lazy) I guess the only reason im second guessing it is because there are a lot of people lowering with good results on the stock bolts with cut bushings. I want to lower it (slam actually) about 1 1/2 inches front and rear. Basically a finger in between the tires. Should I just cut all but one rib from the stock bushings and crank the stock bolts down or bite the bullet and install the WCC bolts. Opinions and pics are welcome.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 08:56 AM
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I have a similar dilema sir....
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 09:09 AM
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Guess its a delima i dont mind having...if the only delima i have is about mods on my vette, then im set! I think im just gonna cut all but about 1/4" off the stock bushings first and if that doesnt lower it enough, then ill go ahead and install the WCC bolts.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 10:28 AM
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I lowered mine yesterday on stock bolts. The front came down perfect without cutting bushings and the rear bushings had to be cut. The car sits as low as can be without scraping and the ride is still pretty good...below is a bad iphone pic but you get the idea. If the car went any lower the tires would rub the fenders. I can't even get my finger between the rear tire and fender.

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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 11:04 AM
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Guess its a delima i dont mind having...if the only delima i have is about mods on my vette, then im set! I think im just gonna cut all but about 1/4" off the stock bushings first and if that doesnt lower it enough, then ill go ahead and install the WCC bolts.
Isn't that the truth. I try to remind myself of that all the time when I get worked up cause I can't figure out what wheels I like best or something stupid like that. We are blessed. I am going to try lowering all the way on stock this weekend without cutting the bushings. If its not low enough, we can always go back and take some out. Good luck with yours!!
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 11:16 AM
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The front will drop to about 2 fingers without cutting the bushings. The rear only 3 fingers without the cut bushing and it looked kinda funny. I cut half of it and it dropped to 2 inches.

You live in Houston.. so I'm telling you now unless you're used to driving lowered cars you will be scraping EVERYWHERE. There are some roads if I go over 15mph I will just start scraping and there are not visual hard bumps in the road. It's that front splitter... it's so low I put my foot under it. LOL But it looks badass.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 12:42 PM
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Oh yea, been driving lowered performance cars for years so it will be nothing new. And aint that the truth about Houston streets.

JRow, how much did you cut off the rear bushing? Your car is plenty low. Im thinking about leaving about 1/4" on the bushing, so I leave one rib?
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 12:56 PM
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Think of a bushing like a hamburger. You have a bun, meat, bun. I just cut the meat out and let it sit on the top bun, it lowered about 1 1/4"
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Lowered on stock bolts, rear bushings cut. I guess I left a half a bun!

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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 02:12 PM
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Man your car looks sick! Half a bun it is...
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 02:26 PM
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Lowered on stock bolts, rear bushings cut. I guess I left a half a bun!

Damn, now I wanna cut half of my bun.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by One Bad Vette

JRow, how much did you cut off the rear bushing? Your car is plenty low. Im thinking about leaving about 1/4" on the bushing, so I leave one rib?
I believe he cut the whole bushing off, still rides good and couldn't sit any better in my opinion
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by One Bad Vette
Well its been a week of owning my 09 Coupe and its time for the modding to begin. I ordered and received my WCC lowering bolts. Ive done a bunch of searches on here and have all the necessary information
Well, don't take this wrong but you must have missed all the threads that talk about how much CRAP the WCC bolts are! I suggest you will regret your choice in the future. The "bushings" are nothing more than cheesy rubber covering a metal plate. These WILL wear off and you will experience terrible metallic rubbing noises that will make you think the rear suspension in your car is about to dissenegrate. I speak from not just reading posts for the last 2 + years but my own personal experience. At the very least you should use the Delrin lowering bolts you can order from Gary at Hardbar (or, as suggested, cut your OEM bolts)

Here is what you WILL experience:



There is no way for these things to hold up. Just look at them. WCC recommends keeping a constant layer of suitable lubricating grease between the A-Arm and the bushing. Yeah, right! Not in the real world.

Anyway, off my soap box. Do yourself a huge favor and dump them and get the Delrin bolts. Or ... even better yet, save up for some adjustable coilovers and adjust your ride height the correct way AND improve your ride and handling.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 07:12 PM
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PS. I was just thinking of another huge benefit to the Delrin bolts (no, I own no stock ). You hate the thought of taking your suspension apart right? Well, the design of the Delrin bolts eliminates a ton of that IF you don't want to save your OEM bolts. A word of caution, you cannot buy OEM bolts separately. They ONLY come with springs! So, if you want to keep them because some vette owners keep the plastic crap the carpets are shipped in, then you don't need to read further.

With the Delrin bolts they come as 2 parts. The bolts and the Delrin bushing. When I swapped from the POS WCC bolts all I did is use a saw (like a small sawzall) cut the bolt between the spring and the bolt's bushing. Bingo, no further need to obtain all that spread between the springs and the A-Arm to back the OEM bolts all the way out. Once you've eliminated the bushing end of the bolt there's plenty of room to run the top of the bolt the rest of the way through the spring.

Then, drum roll, the new Delrin bolt runs in through the top of the spring and all you need in space between the spring and the A-Arm is room for the Delrin bushing! The bolt just threads in to the top of the bushing. I did use a dab of locktight and added a tad of grease to help "cut" the bushing to match the surface of the A-Arm. Trust me, you can do this job in no time and only need to have the car up on jack stands and then use like a short piece of 2x4 on the craddle of your floor jack under the spring to get a few inches of separation. You will not regret this as it is hours less time! You do not need to remove any susepension parts ...... other than the wheels for access.

Again, the only down side is that you destroy the OEM bolts.

If my description wasn't clear, feel free to send me a PM or ask me again here.

PSS. I also agree that you should start with aftermarket rear bolts and lower the front on the OEM bolts, all the way if necessary. I really think you will get plenty of drop from the OEM bolts in front. But not in back.
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Old Aug 29, 2009 | 05:44 PM
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cut my bolts one rib on the back and lowered on the bolt as far as i could. for me, lowered the car just over an inch. the front i did not cut, just turned them al the way down. good luck
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Stock bolts cut. Dropped all the way front and rear. I'm probably going to raise the front back up just enough to make it look level.


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Originally Posted by 'VETTE PHASE
Stock bolts cut. Dropped all the way front and rear. I'm probably going to raise the front back up just enough to make it look level.
That's insane (in a very good way) I love the wide body rear but can't afford the conversion PLUS the wheels, etc. Looks great! I added a Z06 front splitter to mine today and it really looks nice especially since the car is lowered. I'll try to get a pic up soon but it won't match your's

Oh, wait a minute. Aren't you the guy who did a complete color change and mixed that beautiful shade of "AO"?
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Old Aug 29, 2009 | 06:25 PM
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I have a set of WCC lowering bolts still in package and changed my mind about lowering the car. They cost about $60. If anyone wants them you pay shipping and you can have them.
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Old Aug 29, 2009 | 07:18 PM
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Car should have some forward rake. Inch or so. Should not be level, unless that how you want it.
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Old Aug 29, 2009 | 07:24 PM
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When I lowered my C5 I didn't put any rake on it and I like the way it looked, but the a/c drain line now dripped on my headers which I didn't like to hear when I parked the car. People looked at it funny thinking something was wrong. Now that was on my C5. Not sure if I'd do it to my C6, but to me it looks much better when the car is level.
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