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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 01:09 PM
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So I was looking at the 2 piece rotors offered by Zip Products for the C6 Z06 and the Grand Sport. 14 inch fronts and 13 inch rears to replace stock rotors , $1700 for the four. These rotors look great.
I had a C5 Z06 that I put the Baer +2 14 inch 2 piece rear rotors on with Stainless Steel flex lines and the braking was improved by A LOT !
That set up included adapters to move the rear calipers out the required distance to fit the rotors.
There is a conversion kit from various suppliers to fit C6 Z06 rotors and calipers to any other C6 with new SS flex lines. The Z06 calipers bolt on to where the regular C6 calipers go.
Now with all the above info , will putting 14 inch rear rotors on a C6 Z06 by using the Baer caliper adapters from the +2 kit work ? I.E. 14 inch 2 piece rear rotors and the adapter with Z06 calipers bolted on ?
So will it ? ? ?
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 11:04 PM
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I believe those are only for the standard C6 calipers.
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Old Feb 22, 2010 | 12:04 PM
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ok, a little confused. Are you asking if our rotors need any type of adapters to work? Our two piece rotor bolt directly on with all factory hardware. Nothing else will be needed for install. The ZO6 rotors are made for ZO6's and use the ZO6 brake calipers. I also have the rotors for a Z51 so you can use the stock C6 calipers also.
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Old Feb 22, 2010 | 08:35 PM
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ok, a little confused. Are you asking if our rotors need any type of adapters to work? Our two piece rotor bolt directly on with all factory hardware. Nothing else will be needed for install. The ZO6 rotors are made for ZO6's and use the ZO6 brake calipers. I also have the rotors for a Z51 so you can use the stock C6 calipers also.
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Do you have any pictures of the Z51 rotors?
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Old Feb 24, 2010 | 08:32 PM
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Yes they are on our website. Try this link
http://www.zip-corvette.com/ProductD...GR-SR&CTitle=&
It says they are 13", I need to fix that to 14" because that is how Chevrolet advertised them, but the Z51 rotors are actually 13.4 inches.
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jabbott:

1) Do you offer a floating rotor for the Z51 like you do for the Z06 application: 06-10 C6 GS/Z06 Front Two Piece Floating Brake Rotors - Item Number: DB-796

2) Are these rear floating rotors in the Z51 size? It just says "Won't fit Z06": 97-10 Rear 2pc Slotted Brake Rotors w/Park Brake Provision - Item Number: DB-776

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Old Feb 25, 2010 | 04:16 PM
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jabbott:

1) Do you offer a floating rotor for the Z51 like you do for the Z06 application: 06-10 C6 GS/Z06 Front Two Piece Floating Brake Rotors - Item Number: DB-796

2) Are these rear floating rotors in the Z51 size? It just says "Won't fit Z06": 97-10 Rear 2pc Slotted Brake Rotors w/Park Brake Provision - Item Number: DB-776

Sorry but we only offer the floating for the ZO6. You don't need floating for the Z51 because the calipers float, unless you have an aftermarket caliper. I also don't offer rear floater because the rotors don't get hot enough in the rear.
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Originally Posted by jabbott
Sorry but we only offer the floating for the ZO6. You don't need floating for the Z51 because the calipers float, unless you have an aftermarket caliper. I also don't offer rear floater because the rotors don't get hot enough in the rear.
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Two piece rotors have a "floating" connection between the aluminum hat & cast iron ring's because of the different expanding & contraction rates, while heating & cooling, between the two (2) different metals. The "floating" connection allows the ring to expand & contract while the aluminum hat maintains its natural shape.

The calipers have nothing to do with needing or not needing a "floating" rotor.
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Originally Posted by ///DarkSide\\\
Two piece rotors have a "floating" connection between the aluminum hat & cast iron ring's because of the different expanding & contraction rates, while heating & cooling, between the two (2) different metals. The "floating" connection allows the ring to expand & contract while the aluminum hat maintains its natural shape.

The calipers have nothing to do with needing or not needing a "floating" rotor.
Are you explaining the difference to me??? One of the reason for a floating rotor is because you can also get warpage from the heat which a floating rotor will not bind with the caliper or pulsate the piston in the caliper when this happens. That is why I said a floating caliper. I fully understand the difference between the two metals and there rate of expansion. We do not make a floating rotor for a Z51. You will also not hurt a set of our Z51 two piece rotors with a stock Corvette caliper.
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Calm down guy, did you delete your follow up post suggesting you possibly were a little harsh; it was there earlier now it's gone...

I've read many of your other posts; I know you know your stuff. That's why I was confused about your floating rotor/caliper connection in relation to the need or not needing a floating rotor for a particular application based solely on the type of caliper.

You did say I didn't need a floating rotor because I have floating calipers.

I didn't mean to offend your knowledge, but understand that sometimes short posts can be misinterpreted because it takes too much time to type everything we want to say to examine all possible examples.

My track car has 2 pc rotors & I prefer a floating design.
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What is the advantage of these rotors vs. stock Z51 rotors? Weight? I notice they don't have the holes as do Z51 rotors. Advantage? I guess I just need to know why I would I replace my Z51 rotors with these? My Z51 stock rotors seem to stop awfully good.
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Originally Posted by HC Mechanic
Do you have any pictures of the Z51 rotors?
I had them on my car until I upgraded to Wilwood's. The Wilwwod's are slotted, but not drilled, drilled ones tend to crack, but they look really good.






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Originally Posted by ///DarkSide\\\
Two piece rotors have a "floating" connection between the aluminum hat & cast iron ring's because of the different expanding & contraction rates, while heating & cooling, between the two (2) different metals. The "floating" connection allows the ring to expand & contract while the aluminum hat maintains its natural shape.

The calipers have nothing to do with needing or not needing a "floating" rotor.
You are right, I re-read what I wrote and it sounded way worse then when I was typing it. I did not meant to come off so harsh.
What I was referring to on the floating calipers is that, when a rotor heats it also can tend to warp a little depending on the rotor. You have a floating caliper so that when this happens is does not bind any or pump the pistons in the caliper. There are allot of theories about floating rotors or solid rotors. We use Coleman rotors and they tested this and really did not have any conclusive results with to confirm running a floating vs. a solid mounted rotor. The only reason we made a ZO6 floater was because it had been asked for. Allot of people have always stated the need for a floating rotor referring to the expanision rates, but nobody has really proven their case on it either. What are the expanision rates, how is it effected by the aluminum hat actually helping to pull heat away from the rotor. I have seen no effect of where the fasteners are on the hat or where there were cracks in rotors around the hats. Just no real evidence to go either way, not just ours of having a solid or floating but no information to support the need for the floaters.
As far as the Z51 rotors being made into floaters, I don't think there is enough demand to warrant the machine time to re-create our two piece rotor that we have had no issues with. We have had one ZO6 with bolted rotors crack some rotors, we went through cryoed rotors and nothing seemed to work on that car. We are pretty sure that the issue with that car is rotor cooling and a extremely aggressive pad. We have had solid rotors on cars for and entire race season with no issue. That one car was the only one and now we have a floating rotor on it to see if it makes a difference. I don't think you are going to create enough clamping force with the stock Z51 brakes to create enough heat to cause an issue, I think you will have a caliper issue long before a rotor issue. Sorry if I came across wrong earlier, it was not meant as that. Sometimes things sound completely different in your head then when you actually type them.
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Originally Posted by timd38
I had them on my car until I upgraded to Wilwood's. The Wilwwod's are slotted, but not drilled, drilled ones tend to crack, but they look really good.





Nice! Any more pictures of the Wilwood's?
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Originally Posted by HC Mechanic
Nice! Any more pictures of the Wilwood's?
Lots, but I don't want to steal his thread.
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