LS-3's need to worry!
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And by that logic a geared 2011 5.0 with a tune and catback better watch out for a geard LS3 with a tune and catback. Not to mention a bolt-ons or cam'd LS3.
That 5.0 is definately quick for those little mods but the LS3 can be too. If we're comparing stock to stock, a GT 500 vs LS3 will be a driver's race with edge to the LS3. Stock 5.0s aren't a threat. If we're talking modded, well then everything gets thrown out the window because any of the cars can be modded and who the hell knows what you're lining up against. I'll take the Vette all day, regardless of what the Mustang does to beat it. JMO
That 5.0 is definately quick for those little mods but the LS3 can be too. If we're comparing stock to stock, a GT 500 vs LS3 will be a driver's race with edge to the LS3. Stock 5.0s aren't a threat. If we're talking modded, well then everything gets thrown out the window because any of the cars can be modded and who the hell knows what you're lining up against. I'll take the Vette all day, regardless of what the Mustang does to beat it. JMO
let the mustang race the camaro
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My brother has a 2008 Shelby GT 500. My C6 is 500 at the wheels and his is 500 at the crank. I'm 3300 lbs and change and he's 3900 and change. Both are Verts. I can stomp him in the straights and in the twisties it's not even a race. He's going for a bigger pulley but I seriously don't think it'll make up for 600 lbs and my RWHP vs his SAE Net.
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11
Some guys like vettes and some like mustangs. Its silly to talk about which car does what after its modded because you can make any car fast. My friend's mustang here at 6800 feet can run 9.8's at 142 with a DA of 7500'
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...bra/index.html
People buy what they want and drive it proudly customized the way they like it. There are a few Acura integras here running in the mid 9's so dont get caught up with whats faster after its modded. I thought the same way thinking these cars arent reliable or fast and there are guys here running insane times with 800rwhp from a 2 liter engine and the transaxles dont blow up even after 50 track days in 2 years. I stopped thinking you can be the king of the race scene just because its a vette. All that does it makes it that much harder to swallow when a 1000whp 50psi AWD talon waxes your butt.
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...bra/index.html
People buy what they want and drive it proudly customized the way they like it. There are a few Acura integras here running in the mid 9's so dont get caught up with whats faster after its modded. I thought the same way thinking these cars arent reliable or fast and there are guys here running insane times with 800rwhp from a 2 liter engine and the transaxles dont blow up even after 50 track days in 2 years. I stopped thinking you can be the king of the race scene just because its a vette. All that does it makes it that much harder to swallow when a 1000whp 50psi AWD talon waxes your butt.
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If a bone stock LS3 can run an 11.71 in great air then that same driver/car would very likely also be able to click off at least an 11.99 at 2552 feet, even quicker with a tune.
Also, we don't know how this guy obtained his weather/DA information. I've seen online DA readings vary from handheld weather station readings (taken right at thew actual starting line) by as much as 800 feet. It might've actually been only 1800 feet...or it could even been 3200 feet, who knows. Seeing as how it was done in August in Texas I might tend to believe that it was in the area of 2552 feet.
Keep in mind that I went an 11.1 in late August (well almost, it was September 1st LOL) last year in a bolt ons only C6 LS2 as well so there are a lot of possibilities.
Yes but it doesn't tell the whole story though...that car's excessive weight/mass will likely NEVER allow it to accelerate with other 118/119mph cars that weigh 400-500 pounds less. It is it's excessive power that permits it to trap that high...that same horsepower/torque in a base Corvette might be trapping 128mph. Weight (and lack of traction) can kill one's acceleration, stickier tires would help but then again they would also help it's opponent as well.
Exactly.
Also, we don't know how this guy obtained his weather/DA information. I've seen online DA readings vary from handheld weather station readings (taken right at thew actual starting line) by as much as 800 feet. It might've actually been only 1800 feet...or it could even been 3200 feet, who knows. Seeing as how it was done in August in Texas I might tend to believe that it was in the area of 2552 feet.
Keep in mind that I went an 11.1 in late August (well almost, it was September 1st LOL) last year in a bolt ons only C6 LS2 as well so there are a lot of possibilities.
And by that logic a geared 2011 5.0 with a tune and catback better watch out for a geard LS3 with a tune and catback. Not to mention a bolt-ons or cam'd LS3.
That 5.0 is definately quick for those little mods but the LS3 can be too. If we're comparing stock to stock, a GT 500 vs LS3 will be a driver's race with edge to the LS3. Stock 5.0s aren't a threat. If we're talking modded, well then everything gets thrown out the window because any of the cars can be modded and who the hell knows what you're lining up against.
That 5.0 is definately quick for those little mods but the LS3 can be too. If we're comparing stock to stock, a GT 500 vs LS3 will be a driver's race with edge to the LS3. Stock 5.0s aren't a threat. If we're talking modded, well then everything gets thrown out the window because any of the cars can be modded and who the hell knows what you're lining up against.
Exactly.
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[QUOTE=ninjavette;1574921837]And by that logic a geared 2011 5.0 with a tune and catback better watch out for a geard LS3 with a tune and catback. Not to mention a bolt-ons or cam'd LS3.
much much cheaper to gear mustangs then vettes...
sct or diablo tuner -300
gear set - 270
installl - 100-250
i think the cheapest ive seen a vette gear swap was like 1700
much much cheaper to gear mustangs then vettes...
sct or diablo tuner -300
gear set - 270
installl - 100-250
i think the cheapest ive seen a vette gear swap was like 1700
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St. Jude Donor '11-'12-'13-'14-'15
Make no mistake, I really appreciate the info about the gains that can be had over stock with the addition of various mods and the efforts of the Forum Members who race their cars.
However I think it's pretty pointless comparing a modded 'this' against a stock or modified 'that' with no form of equalizing/class categories.
What's a new, stock Mustang supposed to do when it encounters a corner other than watch the stock Vette disappear in the distance.
When I 'meet' one of these on the street I usually try to complement the driver on his nice car, but many times he is penile-challenged and isn't of a positive frame of mind.
This is probably faster than either the new Mustang or the stock Vette, but so what.
However I think it's pretty pointless comparing a modded 'this' against a stock or modified 'that' with no form of equalizing/class categories.
What's a new, stock Mustang supposed to do when it encounters a corner other than watch the stock Vette disappear in the distance.
When I 'meet' one of these on the street I usually try to complement the driver on his nice car, but many times he is penile-challenged and isn't of a positive frame of mind.
This is probably faster than either the new Mustang or the stock Vette, but so what.
Last edited by Knob Jockey; Aug 5, 2010 at 09:36 PM.
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I'll even go ya one further, the new GT 5.0 also costs less to buy than a new C6.
But honestly, I didn't know that we were actually measuring which was the better 'bang for the buck' in this particular discussion.
If we're going down that path then one can build a used C5 that would wipe the street/track up with a stock or bolt ons 2011 GT 5.0 for far less money as well.
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That is likely true, it's also much cheaper to do almost any other modification (except maybe cams swaps LOL) on a new Mustang as well.
I'll even go ya one further, the new GT 5.0 also costs less to buy than a new C6.
But honestly, I didn't know that we were actually measuring which was the better 'bang for the buck' in this particular discussion.
If we're going down that path then one can build a used C5 that would wipe the street/track up with a stock or bolt ons 2011 GT 5.0 for far less money as well.
I'll even go ya one further, the new GT 5.0 also costs less to buy than a new C6.
But honestly, I didn't know that we were actually measuring which was the better 'bang for the buck' in this particular discussion.
If we're going down that path then one can build a used C5 that would wipe the street/track up with a stock or bolt ons 2011 GT 5.0 for far less money as well.
ill end it with this though... 30k and choice of a new 5.0 or used c6..
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I'll put it this way. If I get beat by a cheaper car, I won't care. I purchased the car I wanted regardless of what may be more capable for less money.
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I love them both as well, I've had four Mustang V8s and currently have a Camaro Z28 along with my C6 and can fully appreciate all of them. 
I do love the new Mustang GT 5.0 and have been remotely/distantly considering adding one to the stable but that's the dilemma I'd have...how can I drop a full $32k+ on a new 3600 pound Mustang when I might be able to get a much lighter, even more powerful 2008 or 2009 C6 for only a little bit more. I certainly don't need two C6s at the same time either but it's just a value thing I guess.
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I think the 2011 Mustang Gt500 is a fine looking ride.
Hey, a great driver in a Mustang will usually always beat a poor driver in a Vette.
They are both great cars!
Practice, practice, practice.....
Hey, a great driver in a Mustang will usually always beat a poor driver in a Vette.
They are both great cars!
Practice, practice, practice.....
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