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Old Oct 6, 2010 | 07:08 PM
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http://jreperformanceparts.com/jre-e...el-system.html

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No. I have seen pictures of that kit and don't believe you can use it without modification. There is very little room at the rear of the fuel rails and you need a 90 degree elbow to clear the firewall. The Camaro kit comes with a set of smooth radius elbows which I doubt will fit. I assembled the kit myself. I can send you the "shopping list" of parts I bought from SummitRacing if you are interested. About 10 fittings and 3ft of -6AN hose.
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No. I have seen pictures of that kit and don't believe you can use it without modification. There is very little room at the rear of the fuel rails and you need a 90 degree elbow to clear the firewall. The Camaro kit comes with a set of smooth radius elbows which I doubt will fit. I assembled the kit myself. I can send you the "shopping list" of parts I bought from SummitRacing if you are interested. About 10 fittings and 3ft of -6AN hose.
Yes, I would be interested. The only problem is that now I am at the mercy of the person who will "create" this VERY important part...is it going to be exactly right...like yours. Any small mistake could be very damaging! I feel that the missing piece to my current setup is the efficiency of the fuel flow. The idea from Camaro5 is a wonderful idea, but as you noted, it wont fit exactly. I am not the best with a wrench, hence me being the Finance Director of a Chevy dealership...I guess that if you send me the scematics for this upgrade to the fuel rail and what # injectors you would recommend...I will take it to my tuner and get his thoughts on creating this piece. Thanks!

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Yes, I would be interested. The only problem is that now I am at the mercy of the person who will "create" this VERY important part...is it going to be exactly right...like yours. Any small mistake could be very damaging! I feel that the missing piece to my current setup is the efficiency of the fuel flow. The idea from Camaro5 is a wonderful idea, but as you noted, it wont fit exactly. I am not the best with a wrench, hence me being the Finance Director of a Chevy dealership...I guess that if you send me the scematics for this upgrade to the fuel rail and what # injectors you would recommend...I will take it to my tuner and get his thoughts on creating this piece. Or if you know someone that could DEFINITELY re-create it to the specs like yours...I would entertain that as a preference to me getting it done for a price I understand. Thanks!

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Here is the shopping list that I have from Summit. There are probably 100 different ways to plumb this up but here is what I used. Basically you are just coming off the steel fuel line at the firewall, converting to -6AN, splitting it off to two lines and then feeding the back of each rail. The easy part is making up the lines...the hard part is getting them installed. There is not much room to work with. Much easier if you have the rails off doing an injector upgrade. jannettyracing.com is advertising larger injectors for the Edelbrock.

You won't need the "Fuel Pressure Takeoff Adapter" in my list unless you plan to install a fuel pressure gauge. The hose I bought came as a 6' piece. You need less than half of it so if you can find a 3' piece (I didn't) you can save a few more bucks.


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EAR-985006ERL -6AN TO -6 O-RING (9/16-18) x2

RUS-610020 HOSE END #6 STRAIGHT x1

RUS-614306 SWIVEL ADAPTOR x1

RUS-614806 90° FEMALE AN - MALE AN #6 x1

RUS-632060 PROFLEX HOSE #6-6 x1

RUS-640850 EFI TO 6 AN FITTING x1

RUS-670340 FUEL PRESSURE TAKE OFF ADPT x1

RUS-613160 FULL FLOW 90 DEG SWIVEL #6 x3





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Motorhead: I am taking my car back to my tuner tomorrow for some "follow-up" work...it appears that I have a pretty good coolant leak from when the did the t-stat install. I am going to have that looked at and fixed tomorrow...also, per your list, I am acutally going to give my tuner the green light to go ahead with this step to upgrade the fuel efficiency. I briefly spoke to him last week about it and he appears to be on board. I emailed the list to him...Which injectors size is recommended?...it may be a few days before the leak is fixed and when the parts that you recommend get in -- so is there anything that should be known about your fuel setup that I should let my tuner know about? It looks very strait-forward as to what the end result will be/do. I will be driving my other car so time is not of the essence this time around, especially when we are dealing with fuel delivery.

Would a BAP help?

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Motorhead: I am taking my car back to my tuner tomorrow for some "follow-up" work...it appears that I have a pretty good coolant leak from when the did the t-stat install. I am going to have that looked at and fixed tomorrow...also, per your list, I am acutally going to give my tuner the green light to go ahead with this step to upgrade the fuel efficiency. I briefly spoke to him last week about it and he appears to be on board. I emailed the list to him...Which injectors size is recommended?...it may be a few days before the leak is fixed and when the parts that you recommend get in -- so is there anything that should be known about your fuel setup that I should let my tuner know about? It looks very strait-forward as to what the end result will be/do. I will be driving my other car so time is not of the essence this time around, especially when we are dealing with fuel delivery.

Would a BAP help?

Thanks again...

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Scott,

I'd call Jannetty Racing and see what injectors he recommends. Yeah he wants to sell you something but he's been modifying Camaros for a while so he can set you up with the right injectors.

Nothing complicated at all with that fuel line setup if your tuner has done basic braided line and AN fittings stuff before.

A "Kenne Bell" boost-a-pump will help. The Z06 pump can take the extra juice much more so than the stock C6 pump can. If you are going that route I'd add a Racetronix dedicated fuel pump harness to the setup. This gives you a dedicated heavy gauge wire feeding directly off the alternator straight back to the BAP.

You thermostat leak is because either the installer didn't get the locating tab in the slot on the housing or, he used the wrong thermostat. From 2005-2008 all LSx motors used the same thermostat. In 2009 the physical size of the thermostat changed to a slightly larger one. If the installer used a pre-2009 t-stat that would cause the leak.
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Scott,

I'd call Jannetty Racing and see what injectors he recommends. Yeah he wants to sell you something but he's been modifying Camaros for a while so he can set you up with the right injectors.

Nothing complicated at all with that fuel line setup if your tuner has done basic braided line and AN fittings stuff before.

A "Kenne Bell" boost-a-pump will help. The Z06 pump can take the extra juice much more so than the stock C6 pump can. If you are going that route I'd add a Racetronix dedicated fuel pump harness to the setup. This gives you a dedicated heavy gauge wire feeding directly off the alternator straight back to the BAP.

You thermostat leak is because either the installer didn't get the locating tab in the slot on the housing or, he used the wrong thermostat. From 2005-2008 all LSx motors used the same thermostat. In 2009 the physical size of the thermostat changed to a slightly larger one. If the installer used a pre-2009 t-stat that would cause the leak.
Noted. I will check the leak status tomorrow. Again thanks for the advice and knowledge.

Scott
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 09:13 PM
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**Update**

I picked up my car from the tuner (Dynospeed Racing, Memphis, TN) on Friday with positive results. As stated above per Motorhead...my car seemed to be starving for fuel. My tuner did "Motorheads-Fuel-Mod" + 65lb injectors and my car is "safer" in the high rpm's. Previously my tuner shortened the shift point to 6200 rpm due to fuel. Now he could carry the engine back out to 6500rpms and added fuel/fuel efficiency is VERY noticed. I will get a copy of the dyno sheet maybe tomorrow...I actually picked up 21rwhp over 5000rpm's because the engine was now responding to a little more timing. I am NO tuner...but on his driving tune, in 3rd gear at WOT at 6557 rpm...he showed me on his CPU that the "fuel efficiency" level thingy now said 86% NOT 98% (where it was prior with Edelbrocks kit components)......thank you to Motorhead for his advice. Edelbrock, are you listening?

Kinda crazy spinning 335 NT05's in 1st and 2nd gear in a A6!

More to come I am sure...

Gear question: I sure makes me nervous (especially in 3rd gear) how "slow" the car climbs through the rpms even now with boost...I was thinking about a gear to allow the car to get through the rpms quicker to lesson the possibility of engine disaster....but then anything ABOVE the stock 2.73 will kill ALL traction w/o DR's...just curious if anyone else has noticed how slow or how long these gears are throughout the powerband...Am I being paranoid? Remember, I am A6.

I was told that now I could even go to a smaller pulley (3.25 vs 3.5) if I wanted to with the addition of a BAP (for even more insurance)...I don't want this now...but I know me, I will....AND EVERYONE SAYS TO GET METH (especially before next summer)...Is this the only kit that you can't use meth safely?

Scott

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Scott,

Recommend you give the folks at Redline Motorsports http://www.redline-motorsports.net/ a call and see what they have to say about ways to keep IATs in-check with the Edelbrock E-Force. Methanol might not be the best answer.

3.42 gears would make your car wicked fast
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