FAST Intake addition to build... need pointers please
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FAST Intake addition to build... need pointers please
I am building a 403ci stroker with TEA Stage 2 Ls2 Heads and a 234/238 .60x/.60x lift 114+2 cam. ATI 10% Pulley, C5R Timing Chain, LS7 Lifters, PCA Catch Can probably CCA or EE...
While everything else is being done i am going to do it all up right and complete the engine. I had previously asked about injectors and i think the FAST 46# should be just right for my applicaiton.
My question comes to the FAST102.
I know i want the intake manifold itself (unported should be a large improvement i think over the LS2) and the new NW 102mm TB with the proper LS2 motor requiring no harness for it to work.
From there forward i am kinda stumped.......
I had the Halltech Venom on there from when i bought it but it matches the stock MAF so i think the opening at the end of the intake may be too small? What about the Vararam, LPE or Honker? Do they have a larger opening? The KillerBeeII looks to have the large opening just not sure about the connections... looks like LS7 stuff now.
What about the MAF I think keeping on is important for tuning and the LPE 100mm or the Halltech 102mm seem to be the only large options.
Please if anyone else has run the 102mm intake set up how did you do it? Please need some guidance here.
While everything else is being done i am going to do it all up right and complete the engine. I had previously asked about injectors and i think the FAST 46# should be just right for my applicaiton.
My question comes to the FAST102.
I know i want the intake manifold itself (unported should be a large improvement i think over the LS2) and the new NW 102mm TB with the proper LS2 motor requiring no harness for it to work.
From there forward i am kinda stumped.......
I had the Halltech Venom on there from when i bought it but it matches the stock MAF so i think the opening at the end of the intake may be too small? What about the Vararam, LPE or Honker? Do they have a larger opening? The KillerBeeII looks to have the large opening just not sure about the connections... looks like LS7 stuff now.
What about the MAF I think keeping on is important for tuning and the LPE 100mm or the Halltech 102mm seem to be the only large options.
Please if anyone else has run the 102mm intake set up how did you do it? Please need some guidance here.
Last edited by LeMans05C6; Nov 8, 2010 at 09:40 AM.
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10
I am building a 403ci stroker with TEA Stage 2 Ls2 Heads and a 234/238 .60x/.60x lift 114+2 cam. ATI 10% Pulley, C5R Timing Chain, LS7 Lifters, PCA Catch Can probably CCA or EE...
While everything else is being done i am going to do it all up right and complete the engine. I had previously asked about injectors and i think the FAST 46# should be just right for my applicaiton.
My question comes to the FAST102.
I know i want the intake manifold itself (unported should be a large improvement i think over the LS2) and the new NW 102mm TB with the proper LS2 motor requiring no harness for it to work.
From there forward i am kinda stumped.......
I had the Halltech Venom on there from when i bought it but it matches the stock MAF so i think the opening at the end of the intake may be too small? What about the Vararam, LPE or Honker? Do they have a larger opening? The KillerBeeII looks to have the large opening just not sure about the connections... looks like LS7 stuff now.
What about the MAF I think keeping on is important for tuning and the LPE 100mm or the Halltech 102mm seem to be the only large options.
Please if anyone else has run the 102mm intake set up how did you do it? Please need some guidance here.
While everything else is being done i am going to do it all up right and complete the engine. I had previously asked about injectors and i think the FAST 46# should be just right for my applicaiton.
My question comes to the FAST102.
I know i want the intake manifold itself (unported should be a large improvement i think over the LS2) and the new NW 102mm TB with the proper LS2 motor requiring no harness for it to work.
From there forward i am kinda stumped.......
I had the Halltech Venom on there from when i bought it but it matches the stock MAF so i think the opening at the end of the intake may be too small? What about the Vararam, LPE or Honker? Do they have a larger opening? The KillerBeeII looks to have the large opening just not sure about the connections... looks like LS7 stuff now.
What about the MAF I think keeping on is important for tuning and the LPE 100mm or the Halltech 102mm seem to be the only large options.
Please if anyone else has run the 102mm intake set up how did you do it? Please need some guidance here.
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10
I also would not short myself on getting a ZO6 Fuel Pump in there for
insurance. A 402 strocker deserves the best of components. If you can afford it I would consider Trick Flow 235 Heads although you will need longer push rods & yella terra Rockers an additional expense. Of course
we all seem to overlook a Clutch till we have problems. I and many others had the problem when reaching 450 RWHP and I think you will be north of 500rwhp with your setup so a ZO6 clutch assy wont do either. I am saving
up for a KATECH LS9 Clutch assy to the tune of $2,400 installed. I hope you dont think I am trying to overwhelm you but just trying to throw out some ideas to think about.
insurance. A 402 strocker deserves the best of components. If you can afford it I would consider Trick Flow 235 Heads although you will need longer push rods & yella terra Rockers an additional expense. Of course
we all seem to overlook a Clutch till we have problems. I and many others had the problem when reaching 450 RWHP and I think you will be north of 500rwhp with your setup so a ZO6 clutch assy wont do either. I am saving
up for a KATECH LS9 Clutch assy to the tune of $2,400 installed. I hope you dont think I am trying to overwhelm you but just trying to throw out some ideas to think about.
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Already bought the LS9 clutch assebmly full package from East Coast Performance so thats actually already been thought of. New Master Slave and remote bleeder.
For now the LS2 ported heads were an affordable option by providing my cores and still provided great flow numbers for a very reasonable price. They do work for TF i hear as well so they must have an idea what they are doing.
This allows me to keep the stock rockers and such and even a couple local tuners (DFW area so many options) recommended sticking with the stock (now LS7) lifters and rockers.
As for the fuel pump I am waiting on my tuner's recommendation but I have read the stock fuel pump should be fine.
As for oil pump, the high volume pumps may overdo it i hear so a couple shops have mentioned to just shim the pump to increase pressure just a bit more but not over the top.
I am looking to do it right, but still keeping a few things econmical. I am not going with Tony MAMO CNC'd AFR heads or anything that crazy.
For now the LS2 ported heads were an affordable option by providing my cores and still provided great flow numbers for a very reasonable price. They do work for TF i hear as well so they must have an idea what they are doing.
This allows me to keep the stock rockers and such and even a couple local tuners (DFW area so many options) recommended sticking with the stock (now LS7) lifters and rockers. As for the fuel pump I am waiting on my tuner's recommendation but I have read the stock fuel pump should be fine.
As for oil pump, the high volume pumps may overdo it i hear so a couple shops have mentioned to just shim the pump to increase pressure just a bit more but not over the top.
I am looking to do it right, but still keeping a few things econmical. I am not going with Tony MAMO CNC'd AFR heads or anything that crazy.
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10
It sounds like you did some research and some items mentioned are controversial. One thing is for sure there is no substitute for a PORTED
102 FAST. That I know for sure and have been down that road since the first ones were introduced ( 90 & 92 ) up to the current 102. Good luck.
Leon
102 FAST. That I know for sure and have been down that road since the first ones were introduced ( 90 & 92 ) up to the current 102. Good luck.
Leon
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Ive heard MOREL lifters are the best, but for a non crazy application around 500rwhp the LS7 lifters i have been told should be more than sufficient espeically on an LS2 only going up to maybe 6800 RPms but i doubt i will run it even that high.
If i do that FAST, which I am pretty sure i will do, probably won't try and touch performance on my car for a very very long time if ever again so really just trying to make the most of the car being apart in a somewhat economical way.
LS9 clutch since its a daily driver had to be done. FAST102 is optional of course but I got to thinking about the injectors and one thing led to another there.
Trying to make the most of my money but not spend it where i don't need to, forged internals on the shortblock is a solid base to start with. The top end with the decent cam and ported heads should make good power with out the stroker or FAST, those two are now just an added bonus.
Really curious how much power ill put down with the FAST as well. Very curious to see the finished product.
If i do that FAST, which I am pretty sure i will do, probably won't try and touch performance on my car for a very very long time if ever again so really just trying to make the most of the car being apart in a somewhat economical way.
LS9 clutch since its a daily driver had to be done. FAST102 is optional of course but I got to thinking about the injectors and one thing led to another there.
Trying to make the most of my money but not spend it where i don't need to, forged internals on the shortblock is a solid base to start with. The top end with the decent cam and ported heads should make good power with out the stroker or FAST, those two are now just an added bonus.
Really curious how much power ill put down with the FAST as well. Very curious to see the finished product.
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10
Ive heard MOREL lifters are the best, but for a non crazy application around 500rwhp the LS7 lifters i have been told should be more than sufficient espeically on an LS2 only going up to maybe 6800 RPms but i doubt i will run it even that high.
If i do that FAST, which I am pretty sure i will do, probably won't try and touch performance on my car for a very very long time if ever again so really just trying to make the most of the car being apart in a somewhat economical way.
LS9 clutch since its a daily driver had to be done. FAST102 is optional of course but I got to thinking about the injectors and one thing led to another there.
Trying to make the most of my money but not spend it where i don't need to, forged internals on the shortblock is a solid base to start with. The top end with the decent cam and ported heads should make good power with out the stroker or FAST, those two are now just an added bonus.
Really curious how much power ill put down with the FAST as well. Very curious to see the finished product.
If i do that FAST, which I am pretty sure i will do, probably won't try and touch performance on my car for a very very long time if ever again so really just trying to make the most of the car being apart in a somewhat economical way.
LS9 clutch since its a daily driver had to be done. FAST102 is optional of course but I got to thinking about the injectors and one thing led to another there.
Trying to make the most of my money but not spend it where i don't need to, forged internals on the shortblock is a solid base to start with. The top end with the decent cam and ported heads should make good power with out the stroker or FAST, those two are now just an added bonus.
Really curious how much power ill put down with the FAST as well. Very curious to see the finished product.
CU IN. The ls2 and ls7 lifters are the same and no need for morell. I
would want roller roclkers and Hardened Pushrods to complete the Valvetrain. You asked about the 100MM MAF. They are temperamental to tune. Spinmonster has a good writeup on that. Also larger injectors are temperamental. I would consider 39's which are custom but not expensive. Consider a VE Tune
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Would the KillerBee II with the LS2 conversion but obvious i can leave out the e-mail tune be my best bet for a matching intake to this 102mm setup??
Seems like the only full size option, and the integrated LS7 MAF looks to be a better set up anyway.
Seems like the only full size option, and the integrated LS7 MAF looks to be a better set up anyway.
Last edited by LeMans05C6; Nov 8, 2010 at 01:19 PM.
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