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Old Nov 15, 2010 | 10:22 PM
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well here it is. i have an 08 c6 coupe m6 and i replaced alot of things in this car because it came out of the auction , well my first question is that, is it possible to play the radio without having a fob programmed or without being close to the car?would the car go in acc mode without having a fob...does anyone have the schematics of every plug in the dash? maybe i looked over something...does anyone know exactly what i should look for just for the key fob system so i wouldnt be wating time looking at things that dont matter or even my grounds for the car?? i cant get it it to go into learn mode with the do the procedure with the key 5 times nothing appears.says no fobs detected i just hear where that little black box is in the top of the dash behind the vent i hear relay click sounds but nothing else...can some one help me out plz..im ready to finally enjoy my c6 corvette and see the good feeling corvette owners tell me about..lol but any help would be appreciated.....
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well here it is. i have an 08 c6 coupe m6 and i replaced alot of things in this car because it came out of the auction , well my first question is that, is it possible to play the radio without having a fob programmed or without being close to the car?would the car go in acc mode without having a fob...does anyone have the schematics of every plug in the dash? maybe i looked over something...does anyone know exactly what i should look for just for the key fob system so i wouldnt be wating time looking at things that dont matter or even my grounds for the car?? i cant get it it to go into learn mode with the do the procedure with the key 5 times nothing appears.says no fobs detected i just hear where that little black box is in the top of the dash behind the vent i hear relay click sounds but nothing else...can some one help me out plz..im ready to finally enjoy my c6 corvette and see the good feeling corvette owners tell me about..lol but any help would be appreciated.....
gotta have a fob to do anything, radio/starting/accesory mode all need a fob to do it
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Old Nov 16, 2010 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HANNY
gotta have a fob to do anything, radio/starting/accesory mode all need a fob to do it
I figured that but its not letting me put the car in learn mode..is there anything u know of that i could check?..i checked behind the a/c vents where the hazard lights are, i dont know what else i could check...
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Did you follow the steps in this:

>>C6 Fob Programming and Glove Box Slot Testing Procedures<<


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Did you follow the steps in this:

>>C6 Fob Programming and Glove Box Slot Testing Procedures<<


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yes i tried that....tell me this, if i dont have the sensors that go on the driver and passenger side behind the quarters or neither the back does that stop the learn mode circut or something???i was gonna go to the dealer so they put the tech 2 on it.would not having those sensors stop the tech 2 from programming a fob even thou the glove box slot is plugged?
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 11:35 AM
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That should not affect the car going into the programming mode. Read the entire fob programming thread in the FAQ section because in addition to the instructions, there are many posts where people have added little tips that helped them get the car to kick into the programming mode. Other than what is there, I have no advice to add. If you do take it in to the dealer, it would be better to have them fix the system so that it can be programmed the normal way, rather than just having them override the whole thing and force program a fob with the Tech II.

While not having the door sensors should not affect programming, it certainly will keep the system from allowing you to open the car doors when the car is locked, so ultimately, they will be required. How is it that they are not there?.....seems like an unusual item to be missing, even at the auction...

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To everybody on this thread, I know we all want to help poor hnaskoct, but I'm afraid his car may be beyond hope!!

First of all, I can't even find out from him what car he really has!!!

I had a PM from him asking me to help. In that PM he told me he had a 2006 coupe, now in this thread he says he has a 2008 coupe.

In my PM reply to him I asked a number of questions, and I never got a response.

One of my questions was "Is your car a Z06"? No response.

I sent him a couple pictures so he could compare the manual latch in an early Z06 with the auto pull down latch in a base C6 coupe, and asked him which one he had - but no response.

If he has a Z06 that's earlier than 2009, then it does not have the auto pull down latch. Convertibles have the same manual latch that the early Z06 had, and there is a difference in the key lock cylinder above the license plate, and the cable from the key lock cylinder to the latch in the trunk or cargo compartment that allows you to manually open the trunk/hatch.

A very important difference is the way the programming signal is intiated by twisting the key. I put an auto pull down latch in my 2006 Z06 a couple of years ago, and I had to swap key lock cylinders. The key lock cylinder for the manual latch has 2 wires coming out of it, and the one for an auto pull down latch does not.

Forum member cclive straightened me out on the purpose of the 2 wires coming out of the manual latch - turning the key activates a switch within the key lock cylinder and the signal is transmitted through those wires when programming a fob.

The auto pull down latch doesn't have the wires - the programming signal is generated by a switch inside the latch when the cable is pulled by twisting the key.

So....here's what hnaskoct said to me in his PM:

secondly heres the part that will stop that process, my rear harness comming from the rear.the hatch key port has a cable that goes to the lock and a black plug with 2 wires
I'm assuming that he means that his key lock cylinder has the 2 wires coming out of it like in the picture below of the 2 different units:




If hnaskoct has a Z06 with a manual latch, then he has the correct key lock cylinder, but if the rear of the car was damaged and the auto pull down latch was installed, the key lock cylinder won't work with it - the cables are different lengths and some back yard rigging would have to be done to hook it up to even make it work to open the hatch with the key.

If he has a base C6, he has the wrong key lock cylinder. The key twists won't be transmitted to the BCM at all unless those wires are hooked up to the ones that come out of the auto pull down latch.

However, we don't even know if he has an auto pull down latch or a manual latch. If the car was in an accident and had a butcher job repair, it may have the wrong latch and key lock signal - in which case it's going to very difficult to get the programming signal to work properly.
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ANOTHER THING I STARTING TO WONDER ABOUT IS

Is this guy a troll????

Is he trying to get info on how the system works so he can program fobs on cars he doesn't own???

Come on hnaskoct - you've got to be forthcoming on why you won't answer my questions about what model car you have.

Why don't you even know what year your car is - an '06 or an '08?

If you really have a C6, it sounds like its so butchered up (no transponder antennas for the doors or hatch, maybe the wrong key lock cylinder and latch, wires from the key lock cylinder that you don't know where to hook up, etc., etc., etc.), then I'm not sure you're going to able to get a fob to work with your car.

These cars are rolling computers - many computer modules all talking to each other, and if you don't have a lot of the components that are needed so that the modules can communicate properly, your car is never going to work very well.

My recommendation is to put all the required stuff in the car - and that means the parts that are designed for the specific model you have. Get the door and hatch transponders installed, make sure you have the correct latch and key lock cylinder, etc.

If you're trying to figure out how to program a fob so can drive off in somebody else's car, I think you're finding out that it's virtually impossible.

Bob

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Interesting take Bob....you certainly have put in a great deal of effort to help him, including your signature disassembly pics. Good job... It will be interesting to see his response.
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I got the PM too. I simply pointed him to the link and threads. If he didn't respond to Bob, I'm not sure what the hell is going on.

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I paid hnaskoct a lil over 2k for parts and now i cant get a hold of him...
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