Corvette or Camaro: Which is better?
Team Owner
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From: Short Hills, NJ
I think both Chevy and Dodge screwed up with these 'retro' looks for Camaro and Challenger. I would have taken the 'exact' styling of the '69 Camaro and '70 Challenger, put new bumper systems on them and new interiors. They would be a hit. Both the '69 Camaro and '70 Challenger /Cuda where the best styled pony cars of all time.
I like them all (Challengers, Camaros, Mustangs).
Team Owner
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From: South Carolina
I kind of agree but I do think that the Dodge Challenger actually comes pretty damn close to the original while still looking somewhat contemporary at the same time. Big/heavy no doubt but a good lookin' muscle car that pays strong homage to another great one nonetheless.
I like them all (Challengers, Camaros, Mustangs).
I like them all (Challengers, Camaros, Mustangs).
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The heavier car would win the tug of war or the guy who lets his clutch slip and burns that instead of tires (done that with another car).
As far as which to choose? If you want faster and quicker with better mileage it's the Vette. If you want slower, bad mileage and something that rusts take the camaro.
And don't think new metal cars don't rust. They have a zinc coating on the inside that acts as a sacrificial metal and that goes first but slower, when it's gone it's just like the old all steel cars and will rust eventually in wet states. And rust can't be fixed permanently no matter what anyone says. Once it rusts it will happen again. Any patching will not have the zinc coating on the inside. Replacement quarter panels have to be welded in place and that will destroy the zinc where it's welded. Only bolt-in metal will make it new again. Sorry for the rant but I hate rust, the main reason I bought the Vette, and yes, I know there is some steel underneath.
As far as Camaro's being overweight pigs, what did you expect? They would make them out of fiberglass? What surprises me is that the Vette is still about the only fiberglass car. Far superior to aluminum which also rusts contrary to popular belief.
As far as which to choose? If you want faster and quicker with better mileage it's the Vette. If you want slower, bad mileage and something that rusts take the camaro.
And don't think new metal cars don't rust. They have a zinc coating on the inside that acts as a sacrificial metal and that goes first but slower, when it's gone it's just like the old all steel cars and will rust eventually in wet states. And rust can't be fixed permanently no matter what anyone says. Once it rusts it will happen again. Any patching will not have the zinc coating on the inside. Replacement quarter panels have to be welded in place and that will destroy the zinc where it's welded. Only bolt-in metal will make it new again. Sorry for the rant but I hate rust, the main reason I bought the Vette, and yes, I know there is some steel underneath.
As far as Camaro's being overweight pigs, what did you expect? They would make them out of fiberglass? What surprises me is that the Vette is still about the only fiberglass car. Far superior to aluminum which also rusts contrary to popular belief.
Last edited by Joe Camel; Dec 12, 2010 at 11:50 AM.
Instructor
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From: Tucson AZ
This should not even be a topic for discussion here; if you want a Camaro, buy one and become a part of the fad crowd, here in Tucson, Camaros are a dime a dozen, but my Atomic Orange Coupe ALWAYS turns heads!
Racer
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come on now man, corvettes are a dime a dozen also.
We got sweet cars, but they don't nearly turn heads as much as a Viper, Lotus, supra, and so on. My buddy and I go crusing, me in my vette and him in his MKIV and he gets so much more attention. Not that I care, just pointing out how much more common the vette is over other more exotic cars for the same price.
We got sweet cars, but they don't nearly turn heads as much as a Viper, Lotus, supra, and so on. My buddy and I go crusing, me in my vette and him in his MKIV and he gets so much more attention. Not that I care, just pointing out how much more common the vette is over other more exotic cars for the same price.
Melting Slicks
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From: Tumwater, WA
come on now man, corvettes are a dime a dozen also.
We got sweet cars, but they don't nearly turn heads as much as a Viper, Lotus, supra, and so on. My buddy and I go crusing, me in my vette and him in his MKIV and he gets so much more attention. Not that I care, just pointing out how much more common the vette is over other more exotic cars for the same price.
We got sweet cars, but they don't nearly turn heads as much as a Viper, Lotus, supra, and so on. My buddy and I go crusing, me in my vette and him in his MKIV and he gets so much more attention. Not that I care, just pointing out how much more common the vette is over other more exotic cars for the same price.
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From: Somers NY
Remember same engine, but the Camaro has better traction
So what does that mean... I will race any Camaro that has the same HP as I do... 1/4 mile.. my car does "NOT" spin the tires... I have seen 500 HP Corvettes also run without spinning the tires...
Why the hell do drag racers spend BIG $$$ to get light weight parts... Less weight means less to carry and a quicker car...
Going by your theory a 5000 lb SUV with the same engine as me (LS2) will beat me.....
Melting Slicks
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From: Tumwater, WA
Can I ask you a question.... if you & I had a foot race, & you had to carry 100 lb on your back could you stay with me ? Remember same engine, but the Camaro has better traction
So what does that mean... I will race any Camaro that has the same HP as I do... 1/4 mile.. my car does "NOT" spin the tires... I have seen 500 HP Corvettes also run without spinning the tires...
Why the hell do drag racers spend BIG $$$ to get light weight parts... Less weight means less to carry and a quicker car...
Going by your theory a 5000 lb SUV with the same engine as me (LS2) will beat me.....
So what does that mean... I will race any Camaro that has the same HP as I do... 1/4 mile.. my car does "NOT" spin the tires... I have seen 500 HP Corvettes also run without spinning the tires...
Why the hell do drag racers spend BIG $$$ to get light weight parts... Less weight means less to carry and a quicker car...
Going by your theory a 5000 lb SUV with the same engine as me (LS2) will beat me.....
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Safety Car
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I agree completely! It is inexcusable to do a new platform and add over 400lbs to the weight of the car for no reason other than laziness in the design process. The new Camaro is basically a Pontiac G8 with a little shorter frame, which is why it weighs only 100lbs less than that huge sedan. If the Camaro was 3400lbs then it would be the better choice for an all out race machine with the cost savings you could put all the bolt-ons, cam, and a Magnacharger on it and run with a ZR1 or better
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No you don't see as many as a honda civic, but you see them more then a lot of other same price sports cars. I even see more Zo6 vettes over cars like the Nissan GTR, Porsche turbo, and more. It isn't the shape of the car that they don't turn as meany heads, it is because they're eveywhere. Just go to other boards and post a list of cars people would rather buy, and most people will say that the Vette is the least rare out of the list, as long as you compare it to sports cars of the same price range.
And, I don't put the mustang in the same level as the vette. Completely different class, apples to oranges.
Team Owner
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From: Short Hills, NJ
Well then I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. There is not a day that goes by I don't see at least 3-4 vettes on the road, and for a 50+ thousand sports car, that equals a dime a dozen to me.
No you don't see as many as a honda civic, but you see them more then a lot of other same price sports cars. I even see more Zo6 vettes over cars like the Nissan GTR, Porsche turbo, and more.
No you don't see as many as a honda civic, but you see them more then a lot of other same price sports cars. I even see more Zo6 vettes over cars like the Nissan GTR, Porsche turbo, and more.
And define 'rare' anyway...we still see these 'so called' more rare cars on the road as well ya know, please let's not make them all out to be Bugatti Veyrons and Ferrari Enzos LOL.
And a lot depends on one's geographical location as well. In my general area (New York City metropolitan/tri state area) a Porsche Carrera, BMW M3 or AMG Mercedes is far more common (aka: less rare) than a Corvette C6.
The only reason there are fewer Toyota Supra MkIVs on the road is because it was an utter and total sales failure in the U.S. when new.
The car's rareness was neither intended nor planned like it might be with a high dollar Italian exotic, Toyota would've sold just as many as the American public would've ordered/bought if they could. And if it had been the sales success that the Corvette was/is it too would have been just as common as any mid '90s Corvette. But yes, no matter what the reason there are fewer of them on the road, even the ridiculously slow and boring non turbo models.
Among the few reasons why some people might gawk at it when you and your friend cruise by is because there's a certain internet aura (and yes, a little Fast and Furious vibe) among car guys, especially import fanboys, because they know some of them (but certainly not all) can be putting down some serious horsepower (dyno) numbers.
Again, in my area and among the general unknowing population, my bright yellow C6 will (and has) turn more heads than a Toyota Supra.
Racer
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Well, yeah, when you offer a car that performs with (and in many cases, even outperforms) cars costing SUBSTANTIALLY more money (stock versus stock, an LS3 Corvette can run with a Nissan GTR for $30k less...a C6 Z06 can run with all but the most recent Porsche Turbo for over $50k less etc.) then something has to give. And that something is a little bit more mass production to lower costs resulting in a little bit less rarity.
And define 'rare' anyway...we still see these 'so called' more rare cars on the road as well ya know, please let's not make them all out to be Bugatti Veyrons and Ferrari Enzos LOL.
And a lot depends on one's geographical location as well. In my general area (New York City metropolitan/tri state area) a Porsche Carrera, BMW M3 or AMG Mercedes is far more common (aka: less rare) than a Corvette C6.
And define 'rare' anyway...we still see these 'so called' more rare cars on the road as well ya know, please let's not make them all out to be Bugatti Veyrons and Ferrari Enzos LOL.
And a lot depends on one's geographical location as well. In my general area (New York City metropolitan/tri state area) a Porsche Carrera, BMW M3 or AMG Mercedes is far more common (aka: less rare) than a Corvette C6.
Lol. I don't disagree with you on that fact. Yes location has a lot to do with it, and if the Vette wasn't such a performance bargan then there wouldn't be as many on the road, nor in my garage. And I do agree that they hang with cars of much higher stature, or price for that matter.
Trust me I don't hate my car not being as rare as other cars, and I don't hate all the aftermarket support we receive. I also don't mind not turning every head I pass. I'm just stating what I see in my area, where the Vette is a dime a dozen.
Toyota?
The only reason there are fewer Toyota Supra MkIVs on the road is because it was an utter and total sales failure in the U.S. when new.
The car's rareness was neither intended nor planned like it might be with a high dollar Italian exotic, Toyota would've sold just as many as the American public would've ordered/bought if they could. And if it had been the sales success that the Corvette was/is it too would have been just as common as any mid '90s Corvette. But yes, no matter what the reason there are fewer of them on the road, even the ridiculously slow and boring non turbo models.
Among the few reasons why some people might gawk at it when you and your friend cruise by is because there's a certain internet aura (and yes, a little Fast and Furious vibe) among car guys, especially import fanboys, because they know some of them (but certainly not all) can be putting down some serious horsepower (dyno) numbers.
Again, in my area and among the general unknowing population, my bright yellow C6 will (and has) turn more heads than a Toyota Supra.
The only reason there are fewer Toyota Supra MkIVs on the road is because it was an utter and total sales failure in the U.S. when new.
The car's rareness was neither intended nor planned like it might be with a high dollar Italian exotic, Toyota would've sold just as many as the American public would've ordered/bought if they could. And if it had been the sales success that the Corvette was/is it too would have been just as common as any mid '90s Corvette. But yes, no matter what the reason there are fewer of them on the road, even the ridiculously slow and boring non turbo models.
Among the few reasons why some people might gawk at it when you and your friend cruise by is because there's a certain internet aura (and yes, a little Fast and Furious vibe) among car guys, especially import fanboys, because they know some of them (but certainly not all) can be putting down some serious horsepower (dyno) numbers.
Again, in my area and among the general unknowing population, my bright yellow C6 will (and has) turn more heads than a Toyota Supra.
Stock for stock a c6 will rape the little toyota(don't know why I said little sense it is quite heaver) in every way. But non-the-less, people give it more attention. Hey back in the 60' and 70' I bet no one knew there hemi cuda would be worth so much, and so rare! I bet know one knew there matching numbers 427 69 stingray would bring so much money. But they do, and so does the toyota supra. I would never pay 25+ thousand for a supra MKIV, but plenty of people would/do.