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What is better about changing to a copper NGK plug that will need replacement in 20K or so miles when the OEM Iridium will go 50K and more without an issue?
I'm not going to even ask about the NOS or FI issues as the OP doesn't have anything except a NA stock car. He also asked for the stock OEM temperature range so I think a couple of suggestions presented don't use the stock temp range. I've read on here that the TR6 can cause alternator issues and I didn't use them because of that issue. I went with the ZR1's stock plug for FI.
From: Supporting the Corvette Community at Abel Chevrolet in Rio Vista, CA 707-374-6317 Ext.123
St. Jude Donor '08
Originally Posted by eboggs_jkvl
Just asking....
What is wrong with the stock Iridiums?
What is better about changing to a copper NGK plug that will need replacement in 20K or so miles when the OEM Iridium will go 50K and more without an issue?
I'm not going to even ask about the NOS or FI issues as the OP doesn't have anything except a NA stock car. He also asked for the stock OEM temperature range so I think a couple of suggestions presented don't use the stock temp range. I've read on here that the TR6 can cause alternator issues and I didn't use them because of that issue. I went with the ZR1's stock plug for FI.
Elmer
You are one of the few that gets it. There is nothing better then the stock Iridium AC Delco plugs for stockish applications. I see charging system faults, random misfires and other related issues frequently with aftermarket plugs in stock applications. Everyone just thinks (and reads the crap on here) about changing plugs and jumps on the bandwagon. There is no good reason to use aftermarket plugs in a stockish application. Avoid the potential headaches associated with aftermarket plugs until you go FI.
You are one of the few that gets it. There is nothing better then the stock Iridium AC Delco plugs for stockish applications. I see charging system faults, random misfires and other related issues frequently with aftermarket plugs in stock applications. Everyone just thinks (and reads the crap on here) about changing plugs and jumps on the bandwagon. There is no good reason to use aftermarket plugs in a stockish application. Avoid the potential headaches associated with aftermarket plugs until you go FI.
The stock plugs are as good as anything out there for normal applications.
I would like to stick with Iridiums. However, in the past I've had some quality issues with AC Delco plugs, and I'm wondering if Denso or NGK make a better quality Iridium replacement for the OEM plug.
You are one of the few that gets it. There is nothing better then the stock Iridium AC Delco plugs for stockish applications. I see charging system faults, random misfires and other related issues frequently with aftermarket plugs in stock applications. Everyone just thinks (and reads the crap on here) about changing plugs and jumps on the bandwagon. There is no good reason to use aftermarket plugs in a stockish application. Avoid the potential headaches associated with aftermarket plugs until you go FI.
My car is S/C'd and has NGK TR6 plugs installed. I messed up a set last summer in a tangle with a Gallardo and replaced them. Does Delco make the iridium plugs in the TR6 cooler heat range more suitable for FI?
My tuner installed NGK TR55 but tried to gap them to .035". These are designed to be gapped at .055".
For the ~.040" gap, use the TR5.
I changed back to the AC Delco stock plug. I've never seen any evidence there is anything to be gained by going with the NGK TR5 or TR55.
In a word? No. You should not close the gap on ANY plug more than .010. I think the TR55s are gapped at .055 and closing them down to .035 is .020 and not cool. You should have used the TR6. It starts out at .039 and closing it down to .035 is no problem.
I think the old rule was .010 less gap for every 50 RWHP added. Also, FI needs the smaller gap so you don't blow out the spark under high boost. Honestly? I switched to the ZR1 stock plug. It seems to be perfect for my situation. ~500 RWHP and a .040 gapped Iridium.
Elmer
Last edited by eboggs_jkvl; Dec 21, 2010 at 10:23 AM.
I put 50k Miles on the stock plugs, when I pulled them they still looked "ok" but not to my liking. I replaced them with the TR55's, and I have now have 25k miles on those plugs. I'll be pulling those plugs soon to replace them with new TR55's that came with my new MSD spark plug wires, I'll let you know how the TR55's held up for the 25k miles.
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I've never had any of the issues that some people say the TR55's cause. I also put the TR55's on my C5 for over 40k miles before it was gone.
I picked the TR55's b/c all of the performance shops I spook with told me they were the plugs to use, NOT b/c this forum told me to get them.
You are one of the few that gets it. There is nothing better then the stock Iridium AC Delco plugs for stockish applications. I see charging system faults, random misfires and other related issues frequently with aftermarket plugs in stock applications. Everyone just thinks (and reads the crap on here) about changing plugs and jumps on the bandwagon. There is no good reason to use aftermarket plugs in a stockish application. Avoid the potential headaches associated with aftermarket plugs until you go FI.
Sometimes it's funny to see how many people think there is always something out there that is better than original equipment. I recognize GM has to satisfy both the bean counters and the masses and therefore can't put the absolute best of everything on a $50K car. Some things just don't get better unless there is a specific need that applications require. That said, many mods are based on desire rather than requirements.
From: Supporting the Corvette Community at Abel Chevrolet in Rio Vista, CA 707-374-6317 Ext.123
St. Jude Donor '08
Originally Posted by NYC6
My car is S/C'd and has NGK TR6 plugs installed. I messed up a set last summer in a tangle with a Gallardo and replaced them. Does Delco make the iridium plugs in the TR6 cooler heat range more suitable for FI?
Nope. If going S/C I would actually recommend the NGK's. The Iridiums are not meant for boosted applications.
Originally Posted by HOXXOH
Sometimes it's funny to see how many people think there is always something out there that is better than original equipment. I recognize GM has to satisfy both the bean counters and the masses and therefore can't put the absolute best of everything on a $50K car. Some things just don't get better unless there is a specific need that applications require. That said, many mods are based on desire rather than requirements.
But if you read it on the forums, it must be true.