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Old Jan 30, 2011 | 11:51 AM
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I just pulled a ECM code P 1682 (Manifest Control Aux Inputs and Outputs). The battery was replaced recently I googled the code and it comes up low voltage to the ECM. This car also has an aftermarket radio. The car runs normal no loss of power and the CEI goes off and comes back on ocassionally. Your thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated.
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Open or high resistance at the run/crank relay (#44?) (See Ignition 1 Switch Circuit 2, Underhood junction box) Probably the relay. Worst case is the ECM.

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Open or high resistance at the run/crank relay (#44?) (See Ignition 1 Switch Circuit 2, Underhood junction box) Probably the relay. Worst case is the ECM.

That's my best shot.





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Thanks Elmer I will take a look (replace) that relay.
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Might be 43 or 44, my eyes are getting old...
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Might be 43 or 44, my eyes are getting old...
Thanks Elmer I pulled 44 and replaced it; a whole $8.52. No codes so far I hope that was it.
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Not sure where you got the name for that code but it is definitely not related to the Vette. Here is the SM diagnostic for that code:
DTC P1682
Diagnostic Instructions
Perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle prior to using this diagnostic procedure.
Review Strategy Based Diagnosis for an overview of the diagnostic approach.
Diagnostic Procedure Instructions provides an overview of each diagnostic category.

DTC Descriptor
DTC P1682: Ignition 1 Switch Circuit 2

Diagnostic Fault Information

Circuit-===================== Short to Ground===Open/High Resistance=Short to Voltage=Signal Performance
Ignition 1 Voltage, Powertrain Relay ======== P0689 =========P0689, P1682=========P0690======== --
Ignition 1 Voltage, Ignition Main Relay ========= -- ============= P1682 ============= -- ======== --

Typical Scan Tool Data

Ignition Scan Tool Data

Operating Conditions: Ignition ON, engine OFF, and ignition main and powertrain relay are commanded ON
Circuit================================= Short to Ground-===== Open ======= Short to Voltage
Ignition 1 Voltage, Ignition Main ===================0 Volts ========= 0 Volts ========== 12 Volts
EC Ignition (Powertrain) Relay Feedback Signal =========0 Volts ========= 0 Volts ========== 12 Volts

Circuit/System Description

There are 2 ignition 1 voltage circuits supplied to the engine control module (ECM). The first ignition circuit is provided by the powertrain relay, through a fuse. This ignition 1 voltage circuit supplies power to all the internal ECM circuits associated with the throttle actuator control (TAC) operation. The second ignition 1 voltage circuit is supplied by the ignition main relay through a fuse, and is used to power the remaining internal ECM circuits. If the ECM detects a voltage difference between the 2 ignition 1 voltage circuits, DTC P1682 will set.
Conditions for Running the DTC

The ignition is ON.
System voltage is more than 5.23 volts.
The powertrain relay is commanded ON.
DTC P1682 runs continuously.


Conditions for Setting the DTC

The ECM detects that the voltage level difference is greater than 3 volts between the 2 ignition 1 voltage circuits for less than 1 second.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets

DTC P1682 is a Type A code.
Conditions for Clearing the DTC

DTC P1682 is a Type A code.
Diagnostic Aids

This test procedure requires that the vehicle battery has passed a load test and is completely charged. Refer to Battery Inspection/Test.
Reference Information

Schematic Reference
Engine Controls Schematics
Connector End View Reference
Component Connector End Views
Electrical Information Reference
Circuit Testing
Connector Repairs
Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections
Wiring Repairs


DTC Type Reference
Powertrain Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Type Definitions
Scan Tool Reference
Control Module References for scan tool information
Special Tools
J 35616 Connector Test Adapter Kit
Circuit/System Verification

Important: On the scan tool, the powertrain relay is referred to as the EC ignition relay.
1. If DTCs P0685, P0689, or P0690 are set, diagnose those DTCs first.
2. Ignition ON, engine OFF, observe both the Ignition 1 Voltage signal and the EC Ignition Relay Feedback signal parameters on the scan tool. Both parameter values should display no more than 3 volts difference between the 2 parameters.
3. Operate the vehicle within the Conditions for Running the DTC. You may also operate the vehicle within the conditions that you observed from the Freeze Frame/Failure Records data.
Circuit/System Testing

Important: You must perform the Circuit/System Verification before proceeding with Circuit/System Testing.
Testing the Ignition 1 Signal Circuit
Important: A resistance of 5 ohms or greater in the circuit will cause the DTC to set.
1. Ignition ON, verify that B+ is available to both test points of the fuse from the powertrain relay to the ECM.

· If B+ is only available on one test point of the fuse, test the ignition 1 voltage circuit from the fuse to the ECM for a short to ground. If the circuit tests normal, replace the ECM.


· If B+ is not available on either test point of the fuse, replace the underhood fuse block.

2. Ignition OFF, disconnect the ECM C1 connector.
3. Ignition ON, verify that B+ is available at C1-19.

· If B+ is not available, test the ignition 1 voltage circuit for an open/high resistance condition. If the circuit tests normal, replace the ECM.

4. If all circuits test normal, replace the ECM.
Testing the EC Ignition Relay Feedback Circuit
Important: A resistance of 5 ohms or greater in the circuit will cause the DTC to set.
1. Ignition OFF, remove the powertrain relay from the underhood fuse block.
2. Ignition ON, connect a 3A fused jumper wire from B+ to the powertrain ignition 1 voltage circuit terminal. Verify that the EC Ignition Relay Feedback parameter displays B+ on the scan tool.
· If the scan tool parameter is less than the specified value, test the ignition 1 voltage circuit for an open/high resistance or short to ground. If the circuit tests normal, replace the ECM.

Repair Instructions

Perform the Diagnostic Repair Verification after completing the diagnostic procedure.
Relay Replacement
Engine Control Module Replacement
Underhood Electrical Center or Junction Block Replacement
Engine Control Module Programming and Setup



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Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn
Not sure where you got the name for that code but it is definitely not related to the Vette. Here is the SM diagnostic for that code:
DTC P1682
Diagnostic Instructions
Perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle prior to using this diagnostic procedure.
Review Strategy Based Diagnosis for an overview of the diagnostic approach.
Diagnostic Procedure Instructions provides an overview of each diagnostic category.

DTC Descriptor
DTC P1682: Ignition 1 Switch Circuit 2

Diagnostic Fault Information

Circuit-===================== Short to Ground===Open/High Resistance=Short to Voltage=Signal Performance
Ignition 1 Voltage, Powertrain Relay ======== P0689 =========P0689, P1682=========P0690======== --
Ignition 1 Voltage, Ignition Main Relay ========= -- ============= P1682 ============= -- ======== --

Typical Scan Tool Data

Ignition Scan Tool Data

Operating Conditions: Ignition ON, engine OFF, and ignition main and powertrain relay are commanded ON
Circuit================================= Short to Ground-===== Open ======= Short to Voltage
Ignition 1 Voltage, Ignition Main ===================0 Volts ========= 0 Volts ========== 12 Volts
EC Ignition (Powertrain) Relay Feedback Signal =========0 Volts ========= 0 Volts ========== 12 Volts

Circuit/System Description

There are 2 ignition 1 voltage circuits supplied to the engine control module (ECM). The first ignition circuit is provided by the powertrain relay, through a fuse. This ignition 1 voltage circuit supplies power to all the internal ECM circuits associated with the throttle actuator control (TAC) operation. The second ignition 1 voltage circuit is supplied by the ignition main relay through a fuse, and is used to power the remaining internal ECM circuits. If the ECM detects a voltage difference between the 2 ignition 1 voltage circuits, DTC P1682 will set.
Conditions for Running the DTC

The ignition is ON.
System voltage is more than 5.23 volts.
The powertrain relay is commanded ON.
DTC P1682 runs continuously.


Conditions for Setting the DTC

The ECM detects that the voltage level difference is greater than 3 volts between the 2 ignition 1 voltage circuits for less than 1 second.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets

DTC P1682 is a Type A code.
Conditions for Clearing the DTC

DTC P1682 is a Type A code.
Diagnostic Aids

This test procedure requires that the vehicle battery has passed a load test and is completely charged. Refer to Battery Inspection/Test.
Reference Information

Schematic Reference
Engine Controls Schematics
Connector End View Reference
Component Connector End Views
Electrical Information Reference
Circuit Testing
Connector Repairs
Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections
Wiring Repairs


DTC Type Reference
Powertrain Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Type Definitions
Scan Tool Reference
Control Module References for scan tool information
Special Tools
J 35616 Connector Test Adapter Kit
Circuit/System Verification

Important: On the scan tool, the powertrain relay is referred to as the EC ignition relay.
1. If DTCs P0685, P0689, or P0690 are set, diagnose those DTCs first.
2. Ignition ON, engine OFF, observe both the Ignition 1 Voltage signal and the EC Ignition Relay Feedback signal parameters on the scan tool. Both parameter values should display no more than 3 volts difference between the 2 parameters.
3. Operate the vehicle within the Conditions for Running the DTC. You may also operate the vehicle within the conditions that you observed from the Freeze Frame/Failure Records data.
Circuit/System Testing

Important: You must perform the Circuit/System Verification before proceeding with Circuit/System Testing.
Testing the Ignition 1 Signal Circuit
Important: A resistance of 5 ohms or greater in the circuit will cause the DTC to set.
1. Ignition ON, verify that B+ is available to both test points of the fuse from the powertrain relay to the ECM.

· If B+ is only available on one test point of the fuse, test the ignition 1 voltage circuit from the fuse to the ECM for a short to ground. If the circuit tests normal, replace the ECM.


· If B+ is not available on either test point of the fuse, replace the underhood fuse block.

2. Ignition OFF, disconnect the ECM C1 connector.
3. Ignition ON, verify that B+ is available at C1-19.

· If B+ is not available, test the ignition 1 voltage circuit for an open/high resistance condition. If the circuit tests normal, replace the ECM.

4. If all circuits test normal, replace the ECM.
Testing the EC Ignition Relay Feedback Circuit
Important: A resistance of 5 ohms or greater in the circuit will cause the DTC to set.
1. Ignition OFF, remove the powertrain relay from the underhood fuse block.
2. Ignition ON, connect a 3A fused jumper wire from B+ to the powertrain ignition 1 voltage circuit terminal. Verify that the EC Ignition Relay Feedback parameter displays B+ on the scan tool.
· If the scan tool parameter is less than the specified value, test the ignition 1 voltage circuit for an open/high resistance or short to ground. If the circuit tests normal, replace the ECM.

Repair Instructions

Perform the Diagnostic Repair Verification after completing the diagnostic procedure.
Relay Replacement
Engine Control Module Replacement
Underhood Electrical Center or Junction Block Replacement
Engine Control Module Programming and Setup



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Thanks Bill I replaced Relay No 44 and the CEI returned after 30 miles; would it be worth while to replace the number (43) crank relay as well before I go any further? The car runs fine just that annoying CEI. Thanks for your help I may need to take it to a real Corvette Tech if that does not remedy the problem.

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Old Feb 6, 2011 | 10:49 AM
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Aren't 43 and 44 the same? The one you took out of 44 can go into 43 if they are the same. You don't want to get down to #4 in "Circuit/System Testing".

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Originally Posted by eboggs_jkvl
Aren't 43 and 44 the same? The one you took out of 44 can go into 43 if they are the same. You don't want to get down to #4 in "Circuit/System Testing".

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Elmer yes they are the same I went ahead and replaced both of the relays 43 and 44 the problem still exists after I clear CEI and restart the car 2-3 times. I guess my next step is a trip to the stealership for a full diaognostic on the car to figure out the problem. Thanks for your help I appreciate it only cost $12 so far for the (2) new relays I replaced. I will post what they find.
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Did the dealer find the issue?
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Did the dealer find the issue?
Do you realize that this is an 8 year old thread (2011).

The OP has not posted here in the Corvette forum since 2015.

I doubt that he will be answering your question.
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Originally Posted by Turbo6TA
Do you realize that this is an 8 year old thread (2011).

The OP has not posted here in the Corvette forum since 2015.

I doubt that he will be answering your question.
I never understood why people concern themselves with the age of a thread. The internet has no expiration date. I'm sure the OP got the email notification like the rest of us and maybe he'll choose to respond.
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Originally Posted by Chris Edwards
I never understood why people concern themselves with the age of a thread. The internet has no expiration date. I'm sure the OP got the email notification like the rest of us and maybe he'll choose to respond.
This will never get answered by the original Post forum member on this thread. He hasn't had any activity on the C6 forum since 2015 as stated earlier.
Send him a PM to see he if responds to that, and if you so, you can update the thread with the answer.

Good Luck
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Originally Posted by eboggs_jkvl



Anybody know where he got the pix above?
I'm looking for the same junction box lid schematic for a 2011 C6 convertible.
The number on my lid's schematic is 13686754-01 (upper right side of above schematic).
My lid's hinges were broken & since the lid is impossible to find, I got one for a 2006 - 2008 Cadillac XLR, Part # 19115455.
It's identical, but of course the schematic printed under the lid is incorrect.
Local sign shop says they can make me a correct stick on label, but they can't scan my broken lid as they need it to lay flat on their scanner.
I'm looking for the correct schematic as above for my car before I go butchering my broken lid in order for them to be able to lay it flat on their scanner.
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Anybody know where he got the pix above?
I'm looking for the same junction box lid schematic for a 2011 C6 convertible.
The number on my lid's schematic is 13686754-01 (upper right side of above schematic).
My lid's hinges were broken & since the lid is impossible to find, I got one for a 2006 - 2008 Cadillac XLR, Part # 19115455.
It's identical, but of course the schematic printed under the lid is incorrect.
Local sign shop says they can make me a correct stick on label, but they can't scan my broken lid as they need it to lay flat on their scanner.
I'm looking for the correct schematic as above for my car before I go butchering my broken lid in order for them to be able to lay it flat on their scanner.
Can you get a hi -res picture of the schematic from the cover? If so, then you can send it to a photo program, crop it, and then have the sign shop scan it for you.
If you can take a pic, I have the program that will crop it for you and make it pretty for the scanner. Send me a PM if you want to do that and I'll send you my e-mail address.
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Originally Posted by 4SUMERZ
Can you get a hi -res picture of the schematic from the cover? If so, then you can send it to a photo program, crop it, and then have the sign shop scan it for you.
If you can take a pic, I have the program that will crop it for you and make it pretty for the scanner. Send me a PM if you want to do that and I'll send you my e-mail address.
I haven't played with it yet - was trying to go the lazy / easy route in case the schematic was somewhere online.
Haven't found it yet, and my Haynes Repair Manual may have the relay / fuse layout, but no print is on the same page as the schematic.

I'll try taking a high resolution picture with my phone and playing with it in a few of my photo programs to see if I can come up with something he can use that will work.

Thanks for the offer.
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Can you get a hi -res picture of the schematic from the cover? If so, then you can send it to a photo program, crop it, and then have the sign shop scan it for you.
If you can take a pic, I have the program that will crop it for you and make it pretty for the scanner. Send me a PM if you want to do that and I'll send you my e-mail address.
Just tried taking a few pix - looks like it's going to be tough to take a pix without some glare off that black - not having much luck getting consistent lighting - tried a few indoors & outdoors - will experiment with it later.
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Good Luck. hope it works out. Those schematics are very hard to come by. They are not in the service manual. The owners manual has the schematic, but it is nor as found on the fuse box cover.
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Originally Posted by basicblur
Just tried taking a few pix - looks like it's going to be tough to take a pix without some glare off that black - not having much luck getting consistent lighting - tried a few indoors & outdoors - will experiment with it later.
I came up with this from a 2011 C6 Corvette

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